Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones – What Went Wrong? – Wisecrack Edition

Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones – What Went Wrong? – Wisecrack Edition

Hey Wisecrack, Jared again. If memes are anything to go by, it seems like
the Star Wars prequels have gone through a resurgence in popularity since their initial
critical pounding. So, that leads us to wonder: were we all wrong? Did we misjudge what are, in fact, cinema
classics? “I don’t like sand.” Eh, probably not. But it wasn’t for a lack of trying. As we talked about in our What Went Wrong
on The Phantom Menace, George Lucas had some pretty grand ambitions. Now, in Attack of the Clones, Lucas had epic
ambitions. Like, to create an actual epic romance in
the style of classics like ‘Gone With The Wind’ or ‘Cleopatra.’ He even used one particular romantic movie
from the 1960s as a template. But, did Lucas succeed in his ambitions? Not quite, but if we dive into his original
inspiration, we can discover how the story of a spoiled brat – “It’s not fair!”
– dating a patronizing princess — “Annie, you’ll always be that little boy I met on
Tatooine.” — went so horribly wrong. Welcome to this Wisecrack Edition on Star
Wars Episode II: What Went Wrong. And, of course, spoilers ahead, if you really
care about Star Wars prequel spoilers… It might have been a while since you last
saw this movie, so here’s a quick recap. Set over a decade after The Phantom Menace,
Attack of the Clones follows a now sort of grown up Anakin Skywalker who is charged with
protecting the once Queen, now Senator, Padme Amidala from multiple assassination attempts. After staying in a variety of romantic locations,
wouldn’t you know it? They fall in love. Meanwhile, Obi Wan discovers that an army
of clones has been created for the Republic. From this, he uncovers a separatist plot to
start a civil war led by former Jedi, Count Dooku, but gets captured. After finding his mother dead and performing
a casual massacre, Anakin steals a droid and goes with Padme to rescue Obi-Wan. They get captured, too, and are sent to an
arena to die with Obi-Wan. “Good job!” There’s some stuff about Jar-Jar causing
the downfall of society — “Meesa propose that the senate give immediately emergency
powers to the Supreme Chancellor.” — goddammit, Jar Jar. Then, it’s your usual last 40 minute extravaganza
of lightsabers and explosions as Jedis and the Clone Army battle the badmen. It turns out the war was all because of the
dark side, as usual — “Everything is going as planned.” — and Padme and Anakin get married despite
them both knowing it’s a bad idea. “It would destroy us.” Episode II continues Lucas’ attempt to answer
the question: ‘How Does Democracy Slide into Fascism?’And, to his credit, he does
this in a really smart way, by taking inspiration from history and contemporary politics. The film opens with a bombing attempt to kill
Padme which sets all the events of the film in motion and by the end has lead to war. “Begun the Clone War has.” Lucas seems to be invoking the assassination
of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, which is often cited as the catalyst for World War I. The film was released not even a year after
the 9/11 attacks that would then lead to the invasion of Iraq. And here we have a blockbuster popcorn movie,
written before all that happened, providing some prescient commentary. Count Dooku and Darth Sidious manufacture
a conflict for their own ends: the threat of Dooku’s droid army allows Palpatine to
gain emergency powers and control the clone army. Kinda like how Hitler was made Chancellor
of Germany in January of 1933: by manufacturing conflict and a Bolshevik conspiracy against
the state, he was granted dictatorial powers by the Reichstag in March of the same year. And, well, we know how that turned out… “Winter for Poland and France!” The movie is also interested in showing how
choices made with even the best intentions can be manipulated into benefiting the wrong
people. The Kaminoans were simply hired to create
an army, they didn’t know that the guy who placed the order was actually dead. “Master Sifo-Dias was killed almost ten
years ago.” They also didn’t know that they were building
the stormtroopers that would eventually oppress an entire galaxy. Even poor old Jar Jar thinks he’s doing
what Padme would have wanted when he presents the motion to grant Palpatine emergency powers. “If only Senator Amidala were here…” Again, Lucas is drawing from history. You can trace this kind of manipulation back
to events like the Munich Agreement. At the time, this was considered a way of
preventing war by appeasing Hitler’s demand for more territory. Of course, it didn’t work. It was a deal struck with good intentions,
but turned out to be a major step towards war. Jar Jar Binks and Neville Chamberlain? Ya played yourself. Now while this analysis of Socio-Political
history is going on, Lucas had the smart idea of using a character drama at the centre of
the movie to highlight the personal side of the larger conflict. How does he do that? He makes it a love story, of course! “A love story against the backdrop of a war.” Whether it’s Romeo and Juliet, Robin Hood
and Maid Marian, or Neo and Trinity, ‘love in a time of conflict’ is a story that’s
as old as drama itself. But Lucas seems to have settled on one specific
movie influence for his doomed lovers: the 1965 romantic epic, Doctor Zhivago. An adaptation of the Boris Pasternak novel,
Dr Zhivago is the story of doctor and poet Yuri Zhivago whose life and love for a married
woman is dramatically changed by the conflicts of the first world war, the Russian Revolution,
and the Russian Civil war. It explores, in detail, the historical context
and puts him and his beloved Lara Antipova, right at the centre of that conflict. Sound familiar? From the themes to the posters which Lucas
specifically asked artist Drew Struzan to imitate, the two movies have a lot in common. Both Zhivago and Anakin are taken from their
families at a young age and both bury their mothers on screen. Both stories are set at a time of burgeoning
civil war. Episode II shows the events leading up to
the Clone War, while Zhivago depicts the events leading to the Russian Revolution. The romance central to both movies is forbidden
by social expectations or class. Anakin’s role as a Jedi forbids him from
love — “Attachment is forbidden” — whereas Zhivago and Lara’s pre-existing marriages
hinder their love: Zhivago to the wealthy Tonya, and Lara to the Bolshevik Commander
Strelnikov. Both films even depict our main characters
forced to travel as refugees. The biggest similarity is in how both films
depict the devastating consequences ‘True Love’ can have. Love acts as a corrupting influence on Anakin. Whether it’s him disobeying orders to find
his mother and going psycho when she dies, or how he believes his and Padme’s love
could be hidden — “We could keep it a secret…” — the strength of Anakin’s love causes
him to do some stupid, sinister and downright evil things. While it doesn’t go to the same extreme,
Doctor Zhivago depicts a good man who heals the sick, driven to breaking small laws like
stealing firewood to provide for his family, then driven to lie and cheat on that family
because of his love for Lara. Zhivago’s love for Lara results in him abandoning
his wife and children. But by the end, said love makes him abandon
Lara and his unborn child, as well, to save them from persecution. Anakin’s love for Padme, by contrast, results
in the death of thousands of Jedi and the creation of a fascist Galactic Empire, which
seems a little like overkill to me. So, if Attack of the Clones is cribbing so
closely from one of the great love stories of all time, why is it such a dud? Sure, there’s the toe-curlingly bad dialogue
— “I hate sand.” — and the total lack of chemistry between Anakin and Padme, but
all of that might have been okay if it wasn’t for the fact Lucas missed the mark on how
the politics and love story of Doctor Zhivago are integrated. Doctor Zhivago succeeds because the romantic
leads have conflicting loyalties, but are willing to forgo them for the sake of love
and their shared compassion for others. Zhivago and Lara are seen together several
times in the first hour of the movie, but don’t actually come together until something
happens that reveals their shared the desire to help the injured. “Are you a nurse?” They, then, both end up working closely together
in a field hospital where, sure enough, they fall in love. The fact Zhivago and Lara forego their respective
loyalties out of a desire to help, then fall in love because of that, encapsulates how
well the political backdrop and love story are integrated. Attack of the Clones, by contrast, pushes
Anakin and Padme together with forces outside of their control. Palpatine suggests Obi Wan and Anakin protect
Padme, then the Jedi Council orders Anakin to protect Padme alone in the conveniently
romantic setting of Naboo. None of these actions are their choice. “Senator Amidala will not refuse an executive
order.” Padme and Anakin are forced together by the
political conflict, as opposed to being drawn to one another by their feelings about the
conflict. This is the same problem we mentioned in our
Episode I video: the characters are metaphorical ‘Paper Boats’ being carried along by the
current of the plot; they have no agency. Whereas Zhivago’s arc is all about the choices
he makes. Near the beginning he is supportive of Bolshevik
protests — “Justice, equality, and bread. Don’t you think they’re splendid?” “Yes, I do!” — and then sees their slaughter
in the square by the Cossacks. But later, his house is taken by the Communist
State — “There was living space for 13 families in this one house!” — he is forced to lie
about the existence of typhus and starvation in the capital — “You’ve been listening
to rumormongers, comrade. There is no typhus in this city.” — and
is even forced to flee with his family because he now disagrees with the Party’s policies. Zhivago’s loyalties change over the course
of the movie and his choices reflect that. His choice to find Lara and be with her at
the end of the film is motivated by the events of the film. Instead of being railroaded into one way of
life by the changing political landscape, he chooses to be with Lara. No paper boats there. Episode II on the other hand offers no such
character arc or agency. Anakin starts as a disobedient brat — “And
you will pay attention to my lead.” “Why?” “What?” — and ends as a disobedient brat
— “We’ll take him together. You go in slowly on the left, and-” “I’m taking
him now!” “No, Anakin, no! No!” He starts off with an unrequited love for
Padme, and ends with a requited love because… reasons? We never hear his opinion on the conflict,
only his pretty suspect opinions on the running of the republic — “The- the trouble is
that people don’t always agree.” “Well, then they should be made to.” “Sounds a lot like a dictatorship to me.” “Well, if it works…” And this isn’t just true of Zhivago and
Anakin. In Doctor Zhivago, Lara marries a Revolutionary,
but after being forced to flee those same revolutionaries she ends up saying, “This
is an awful time to be alive!” Her loyalties shift. Whereas Padme, believes in democracy at the
beginning of Star Wars and still does by the end, largely because the movie tells her to. “The day we stop believing democracy can
work is the day we lose it.” “Let’s pray that day never comes.” The biggest change she undergoes is to confess
she loves Anakin after having resisted the relationship throughout the whole movie. “I shouldn’t have done that.” “It’ll take us to a place we cannot go,
regardless of the way we feel about each other.” And even then, that change of heart is only
because — “I think our lives are about to be destroyed anyway.” How romantic. While Padme shows some signs of resistance,
— “I do not like this idea of hiding.” — she still shows little agency in her decisions,
if she makes any at all. But surely, in a movie that ends with war,
the politics must have some bearing on the character arcs, right? Well, not really… Doctor Zhivago succeeds in exploring the complexities
of relationships at a time of war because it shows us the moral ambiguity of that time. The whole first hour is about setting up Oligarchs
like Lara’s employer to be heartless monsters, only for the idealistic revolutionaries like
Lara’s husband to become equally heartless. Lara and Zhivago are caught in the middle
of these blurred distinctions. Lara dines and dances with her creepy, oligarch
employer Komarovsky at a fancy club, but when she meets up with her wide-eyed idealist husband-to-be,
Pasha, a few scenes later, he says this is — “Where the pigs were eating and dancing!”
— not knowing Lara was there. At the end of the movie, Zhivago must accept
Komarovsky’s help to save Lara — “These men that came with me today, as an escort,
will come for her and the child tomorrow, as a firing squad! — a man who earlier raped
Lara and then was shot by her, a wound Zhivago is asked to heal. These are the kind of complexities and confused
loyalties that life in a time of conflict creates; complexities that don’t really
exist in Attack of the Clones. For example, where Dr. Zhivago has the character
of Pasha, a political protester turned tyrannical commander, Attack of the Clones has Count
Dooku, a former Jedi turned traitor to the Republic. Both characters are depicted in similar ways. Pasha, who becomes the commander of the Red
Army, changes his name to ‘Strelnikov’, and Count Dooku changes his name to Tyranus. They are both either shown or explained to
be idealists at the start. Dooku is referred to within the first five
minutes of the movie as, — “He’s a political idealist, not a murderer.” “You know, my lady, Count Dooku was once
a jedi. He couldn’t assassinate anyone; it’s not
in his character.” — while we are introduced to Pasha handing
out fliers to workers for a protest. The problem is how we see these characters
change and develop over the course of the movie. We think Pasha is killed in the trenches of
WWI only for his reveal as Strelnikov to be the shock twist that concludes the first half
of the movie. We knew his allegiances before the war, and
it makes sense that he would make his way up the ranks of the Bolshevik army. It’s a twist because we thought he was dead
not because his motivations changed. There is no revelation or even catharsis in
Attack of the Clones. The next time we hear anything about Dooku,
after his passing mention at the start, is over halfway through when he appears and basically
explains his entire conspiracy while Obi Wan is in earshot. After that, he tries to convince Obi Wan to
join his cause by pretending to be on his side — “Oh no, my friend, this is a mistake,
a terrible mistake they have gone too far! This is madness!” This would have been a great opportunity to
develop his character more. If he had been introduced earlier, it could
show some conflict about his ideals, maybe then Obi Wan would sympathize with him. But no, the next minute Dooku sentences them
all to death, chops off Anakin’s arm and delivers the Death Star plans to Darth Sidious. No such moral ambiguity there. Other than a few sentences from nameless characters
at the start, the audience is given no reason to care about Dooku’s treachery or where
his loyalties lie. A lot of these problems can be traced back
to the same script issues Episode I had. Whether it’s the threat of Padme’s life,
being sent to Naboo, Obi Wan stumbling across the Clone Army, or a declaration of war, all
of this happens to the characters, not because of the characters. In fact, the most significant decision of
the whole movie is done off screen by Jar Jar, who decides to grant the Chancellor executive
powers. This choice shapes the fate of the galaxy,
but the most we see of his decision-making process is a shot of him looking pensive. Episode II’s biggest flaw, though, is the
romance itself. Where Zhivago and Lara’s love is tortured
and forbidden, but ultimately feels true, Anakin and Padme’s is meant to be all those
things but we’re never really given any reason to believe that. Zhivago falls for a woman who shares his compassion,
while Lara falls for a good man of great talent and character whom she admires. Meanwhile, across the galaxy, a moody teenager
inexplicably wins over a much older woman by being really — “My goodness you’ve
grown.” “So have you… grown more beautiful, I mean.” — really — “I don’t think she liked
me watching her.” — really — “The thought of not being
with you… I can’t breathe.” — REALLY creepy. Not only that, the ‘forbidden’ nature
of their romance doesn’t seem all that forbidden. Though we are repeatedly told it’s wrong
— “You’re studying to become a jedi, I’m- I’m a senator.” — we’re not really shown any drawbacks. Anakin even explains a loophole — “Compassion,
which I would define as unconditional love, is central to a Jedi’s life. So, you might say that we are encouraged to
love.” — and though Obi Wan says Anakin has made a commitment to the Jedi Order, he
also says, “You have made a commitment to the Jedi order, a commitment not easily broken.” So wait, it’s not easy but CAN be broken? That, and Anakin and Padme don’t seem all
that shy about hiding it when they make out in front of an ARENA FULL OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING
OBI WAN. Their relationship is discouraged, but not
‘forbidden.’ And they don’t seem to love each other because
they admire one another’s characters, political beliefs or talents like Zhivago and Lara,
they love each other because the script tells them to. In the end, Attack of the Clones fails because
of its ambitions. By trying to make the movie a cautionary political
drama, an Epic Romance, a conspiracy thriller, a mystery, and a war movie, Lucas gives himself
too much ground to cover in two hours, and as a result, he doesn’t integrate these
pieces well enough to give them time enough to develop. Time that Doctor Zhivago has in spades with
its 3 hours and 20 minute running time. And while taking some surface pointers from
a cinema classic is admirable, it fails to deliver on all those key elements that made
the original so great. “Alright, I get the picture.” But what do you think Wisecrack? Is it a misunderstood masterpiece, or do you
hate it as much as Anakin hates sand? Let us know in the comments, and thanks to
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Author: Kennedi Daugherty

100 thoughts on “Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones – What Went Wrong? – Wisecrack Edition

  1. Misunderstood Masterpiece. All 3 prequel films are in my opinion. Just because George Lucas doesn’t hold your hand through the scrip and plot doesn’t mean it’s not there. Listen to Lucas’s take on his decisions and you’ll discover it all makes brilliant sense, even though it’s not obvious

  2. The only thing wrong with the prequels was the romance scenes. Lucas can't write romance. His heroes are whiny. This started in the original trilogy. The lightsaber fights in the prequels were the best in the saga. We get to see Yoda fight for the first time. That was worth the torture of the love scenes.

  3. Prequel problems:
    1. Annakin Skywalker, perhaps the worst actor in the universe. Definitely one of the least charming in the history of cinema.
    2. Mace Wendu. Samuel S. Jackson is a good actor, but as a Jedi knight, he's simply an embarrassment to the black race.
    3. Overblown plot. Who's this Council President again? Who are these Jedi kids? What's that over there? Who's this? What the fuck is going on?

  4. The past will always be a better place regardless of how it actually was because our mind is geared towards forgetting crap and maintaining good stuff after a while.

  5. The fact that it happens to the characters is the point of the film. The whole trilogy is showing Anakin/Vader as the victim in palpatines plan. This adds more to Darth Vaders character and makes him a deeper character.

  6. I keep defending the Prequels every time I see people bash them in comments sections, but I have to say that Clones is the weakest of them, no contest.

  7. Holy shit this narrator dude’s hair is fucking awful. It’s like a balding 30 year old version of the preppy mop head hair of the early 2000s. Get a haircut dude!

  8. Lucas that's what went wrong he was to busy trying to make a movie for kids that would also appeal to adults while using all cgi green screen instead of the realistic creature effects and make up.then throw in the craziest dialogue trying to make the new prequils better than the originals.he was trying way to much stuff and fucked it up.and his choices for the droids army omg Roger Roger they looked so bad and so no menacing the entire droid army besides grevious and his body guards were pathetic.he made bad decisions and people who work for him are to busy licking his ass instead of telling him how bad the clone wars and menace was good ideas bad execution.

  9. I still dont quite get it. Whenever I've watched this film I just ignored Anakin and Padme. Because there are other good things inside of it. The Jedi fighting in the arena. The Clones. Basically every scene with Obi-Wan. Jango Fett. All of this is ways better than this dumb love story. I just ignore it and the film is awesome.

  10. I remember when I saw Episode II in the theatre, and I was really hoping that Dooku was just being played, an idealist who had left the Jedi over his beliefs being tricked by darker forces to support a separatist movement he supported. Then I remembered this was Lucas writing it, and there was no way he would ever allow such subtlety.

  11. This was def one of those movies I appreciated more as an adult while at the same time realizing its flaws. Having said that, loved this shit as a kid

  12. After the Last Jedi I am gonna go ahead and say it, stop whining, enjoy the Prequels and I really liked Attack of the Clones!

  13. I wouldn't say that attack of the clones is a misunderstood masterpiece but also just because it falls flat doesn't mean its bad. I like star wars and i grew up with the prequels so I'm more prone to remember all the really cool stuff like the fight between obi wan and jango fett, the battle of geonosis, the chase scene in the beginning, getting to watch yoda pick ass for the first time and some surprisingly funny and memorable lines such as "good job." Also I think through all the clunky dialogue, the characters are decently well written. Particularly Padme. I agree with all of the points about the lack of agency and these characters being paper boats and the plot. However, in this movie padme is shown to be somewhat of a badass. She uses herself as bait, she is the one that decides to go rescue obi wan, she climbs up the pillar at their execution on geonosis, and she holds her own agaisnt that rat lizard thing for a while. Then on the battle of geonosis she is a very active participant and does very well to stay alive considering she is the only one on her side without a light saber until the clones show up. Not a perfectly written character, but you do start to get the sense in this film that she is Leia's mother.

  14. Other reasons it didn't work:

    No one is suspicious or even questions the fact that the entire Republic Clone army is made up of a guy who:
    1. Is under Jedi investigation for trying to kill a Senator…Twice
    2. Admitted to working for a now well known Rebel/terrorist (he told Obi Won that Dooku hired him directly)
    3. Tried to Kill Obi Won and Mace Windu
    4. Is Universally known Assassin and Bounty Hunter who has killed Jedi before, in fact got famous for doing it with his bare hands.
    5. Comes from a race of people who particularly hate the Jedi and have a history of War with the Republic.
    Dooku told Obi Won directly that the Viceroys of the Trade Fed. sought out Dooku's help after Palpatine betrayed the Trade Fed. during the Naboo blockade. Dooku even DIRECTLY states that the chancellor is a Sith and the C.I.S is forming in protest of Palpatine.

    That the entire reason the C.I.S started was simply confirming the Jedi's suspicious about the chancellor to begin with especially later on.

    They would put a 17 year old in charge of security with a 24 year old senator? That wouldn't be odd…Even by the most lax standards?

    How the hell does their Republic even work?

    Their voting system of "loudness of senate hall determines passage of bills" can't possibly be real.

  15. This movie just has horrible directing and interaction between characters. It's like a two hour Tekken videogame – battle-intro.

  16. Idk how runtimes are determined, but movies should take as long as necessary to get their point across. If that makes the movie an extra 20 min or an hour, then so be it. I’d rather sit there longer & be happy at the movie I watched than the alternative.

  17. The problem is people looking at Anikin as the hero whereas in actuality the prequel's protagonist is actually Palpatine.

  18. I liked your video… I found your critique on the comparison of Anakin Skywalker and Dr. Zhivago to be sort of arbitrary and false. You say that Anakin (along with every other character) is a paper boat apparently because he does not have a paradigm shift or show any character growth? As we know from Return of the Jedi, Anakin makes similar choices throughout this movie because he still needs to evolve into Darth Vader; the bratty angry teen act goes too perfectly with how one would expect a young Darth Vader to be … so Anakin maintains his selfishness until it turned into hate. This is when his paradigm shifts (character development/growth) and he became Darth Vader. Darth Vader is defeated in Return of Jedi after he saves Anakin from electric Emperor fingers, here he undergoes his final major paradigm shift, and he is a very humbled Anakin. Alone it wouldn't be a very good movie, but I do feel it fits perfectly into the saga of Star Wars.

  19. Just want to say that Padmé is only 4 years older than Anakin! Great analysis, I learned a lot and I enjoyed the respectful tone.

  20. I don't see how in Doctor Zhivago, this all happens because of the characters, and in Star Wars this all happens to the characters. In my view, both happen because of the latter.

    I don't see also how in DZ that the love is due to conflict and in SWAotC the love is due to fate. Again, I think both are the result of the latter.

  21. Padme does make the decision herself to go and rescue obi wan, against the Jedi’s orders – this basically drives her and anakin’s journeys for the remainder of the movie… bit of agency there I’d say

  22. U know what I just realized. Anakin admitted to killing children and Padmé still stayed with him…🤦🏾‍♀️

  23. By Episode 3, the relationship is credible. Padame is not a Queen and Anakin a seasoned, more senior warrior. But in 2? It's like watching a marine private hitting on a super model. She would never, ever be able to uncurl her lips.

  24. I just received my brand new copy of the deluxe double DVD widescreen edition of STAR WARS : EPISODE II – ATTACK OF THE CLONES!!! I can't wait to open it and watch, but, waiting for my brand new copy of STAR WARS : EPISODE I – THE PHANTOM MENACE deluxe double DVD widescreen edition to arrive first. Two of the best films ever made. (I laugh at all you haters who are missing out on so much coolness and fun.)

  25. The prequels all suffer from the same flaw, really interesting ideas but with poor execution. A plot to assassinate a pacifist senator starting a mystery that leads to the discovery of a secret army that is ultimately used to save said senator igniting the war she wanted to prevent. The absurdly ineffective democracy from the last movie has been split by 1000s of systems leaving due to its incompetence, however this effort is led by the very mega corporations that rendered the first government ineffective. A former Jedi master and the mentor of a character who served as a mentor to both of our major characters is leading this phony populist while accusing the Republic of being under the control of an evil Sith Lord. In a final twist, both sides are being controlled by the Sith using conflict to ensure their rise to absolute power. All of these things are super interesting ideas with lots of implications that fade into the background to a weak love story.

  26. I don't hate it. I love the political backdrop. I'm just saddened by the wasted potential. For such a grand cinematic movie with such lofty ambitions, it falls short of the mark. I still enjoy watching it, but I don't watch it for the same reasons I'd watch a dramatic classic.

  27. who would ever imagine that the crazy antics of a clumsy oaf like Jar Jar Binks could cause the downfall of the Republic and bring the birth of the Galactic Empire?

  28. I remember seeing Clone Wars in theater in my early 20's. The only movie in my life where halfway I through I decided to leave. I'll never forget that my girlfriend at the time started to read a book when we were watching. That day I decided to grow up and never watch this goofy shit again. Once in a while I'll watch the originals to revisit my childhood with my kids. But the whole thing is pretty much an abortion.

  29. Could you do cross examinations between clone wars and the sequels and talk about the difference in growth in the characters?

  30. I think the reason I enjoy the new star Wars films is because they are just dumb block busters. the prequels were so close into being something epic. they have so many brilliant ideas but he just couldn't keep it together.

  31. but the whole point of Padme and Anakin not having agency is that Anakin turning to the dark side is entirely orchestrated by Palpatine, just as the republic is turned into the empire: he manipulates Jar-Jar into giving him emergency powers!
    thanks for calling out Anakin's creepiness. it's ultra cringey.

  32. "How the history of a spoil brat dating a patronizing princes went so horrible wrong"… yeap, I need no more than that. Thx.

  33. The prequel trilogy is better than the original trilogy. There was more depth and complexity to the politics. People have to understand that Lucas was trying to distil it in a blockbuster film that was produced for a mass audience.

  34. I still want to know how one planet has the capability to build an army of clone soldiers (as well as all of the equipment and ships that they might need) without anybody knowing about it. Those guys should either have an empire or be under the heel of an empire.

  35. Here we see the difference between Lucas and Spielberg. Lucas makes glaring mistakes that Spielberg would never have made. JarJar Binks, the poor choice of casting of Hayden Christensen (who was very good in the movie "Shattered Glass," btw). No one goes to a Star Wars movie to watch trade wars get settled. Of course, the mistake was Lucas announcing, at the very beginning of the Star Wars movie back in '77, that there were plans for nine of them. Like Peter Jackson prostituting "The Hobbit." There's just not enough material.

  36. could you guys do one on the clone wars animated series I think that helped to fill out most of the plot holes within the prequels especially since there supposed to be cannon

  37. This doesn't really explain what "went wrong" with the movie because it requires very complex analysis for the movie to fail by your criteria. What I was looking for was why it failed to be a hit with the masses (who won't go to such great lengths to interpret the motives of Dooku, for example).

    Things I were expecting were: 1) Bad reviews by so-and-so critics… 2) Release time or competition with other movies 3) Advertising or marketing 4) People upset with certain characters or the plot (you sort of touch upon this) 5) Changes to main characters or their motives which turned-audiences (you touched upon this with Anakin a bit) 6) Too many dark scenes which upset younger audiences (scene where Anakin kills those desert-muslims).

    This is what I was looking for. What was it that made it less appealing to the masses. Not "what you would have liked to see done with the plot" because that is ultimately just subjective.

  38. The product we are getting from Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones is a forced dumbing-down of intellect as if we will fall for it and accept it. It's like a generated script we are being forced to accept. It reminds me of Idiocracy.

  39. What Went Wrong – is the wrong title. What was made wrong on purpose is more a more accurate title. What went wrong assumes it was an accident. What was made wrong on purpose exposes the attempt to give us less while taking our money and trying to make us stupid in the process.

  40. You are comparing a risk taking director with one off film and a film series that just happen to rip plot from Dr. Zhivago and tries to play safe.

  41. Sorry but one more thing. the casting was worst possible Worst. You take the most fearsome villain of Hollywood. The villain that people mention when asked to list villains of Hollywood and cast who they cast, a whinny little boy no where near the shadow of formidable fearsome villain Vadar.
    If only casting was right you wouldn't even mention that movie in this way.

  42. I wish they take those people those movies away … most fanfiction writers could have squeezed more out of this! The SW nerds even more so. Pathetic how lackluster it turned out.

  43. You criminally misanalyze this movie and the characters, and thus all of Star Wars.

    A very easy answer to all your questions is this:

    The entire plot of Episode 1-7 (and possibly after 9, adding the sequels to that plot) is a Sith plan to take control of the galaxy, and destroy the Jedi. Every string is masterfully pulled by Sidious, which is why characters, and events seem unrealistic in an Uncanny Valley sort of way. The vast majority of the world that has watched Star Wars don't comprehend the complexity of it, and why and how it explains everything feeling "off." It's supposed to feel off, events are not playing out naturally, every single detail is being manipulated by a single person. It mirrors Lucas have absolute creative control, and ensures the writers vision, not the fans fantasy of the plot, is achieved.

    Lucas was seen as a genius, then an idiot. Anyone with even a hint of true intelligence knows that people don't just flip on genius like that. The public perception changed, because the story got too smart for the average viewer. The original trilogy is so simple compared to what the prequels did. The questions you had were either answered fully, or were made irrelevant to the viewing experience, but the prequels require you to think, to analyze, to comprehend an absolute manipulation of politics; one man singlehandedly toppling a galactic-sized government. Can you even imagine the trillions, if not quadrillions of people he affected? Thousands of star systems, hundreds of thousands of planets. How many people ultimately did Sidious have to manipulate? The number will likely never be known, and its unfathomable to even follow that trail with absolute accuracy. It took the Sith a thousand years to bring that plan to fruition. A real life human brain could not even concoct of a thousand year plan involving that number of people.

    People like the OT because it built a story, a microcosm.
    People bash on the prequels because it built a fleshed out universe.

  44. Are you sure you are pronouncing the name of that museum right? just went you say it, you sound like you are saying Reich's museum

  45. The Anti-Cheese edits Actually make the movies F'n good… They really change everything in subtle enough ways that you don't even remember why you hate them and they become among the best Star Wars films ever made…. Check em' out…

  46. If you've been around sand like that (I have in the Army, I STILL FIND F'IN SAND IN MY GEAR *Ahem) you'd hate sand too, and you'd be deadpan whenever you thought about sand. Perfect performance in that scene. I also, hate sand!

  47. You got a lot of things wrong with the lore of star wars, but I'll only be pointing out two things because I'm tired. First is that the clone troopers didn't become the storm troopers, and also the people that created the clones on kamino did know what the intention of them was, in season 6 of the clone wars we see count dooku was in contact with them and had them put chips in their brains to carry-out order 66

  48. 12:54 "Dooku is referred to within the first five minutes as " He is a political idealist, not a murderer." […] -while we are introduced to Pasha handing out fliers to workers for a protest. " SHOW, DO NOT TELL.

  49. Basically George Lucas took an extremely complicated and nuanced movie and tried to oversimplify it to the point of losing all the essential plot points that made it work.

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