Community Land Trusts: A Model for Reparations?

Community Land Trusts: A Model for Reparations?


>>400 YEARS SINCE THE FIRST>>400 YEARS SINCE THE FIRST
ENSLAVED AFRICANS ARRIVED IN ENSLAVED AFRICANS ARRIVED IN
JAMESTOWN, MANY PEOPLE AGREED JAMESTOWN, MANY PEOPLE AGREED
THAT REPARATIONS ARE DUE, THAT REPARATIONS ARE DUE,
BUT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? BUT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE?
HOW ABOUT AFFORDABLE PROPERTY IN HOW ABOUT AFFORDABLE PROPERTY IN
BLACK HANDS IN PERPETUITY? BLACK HANDS IN PERPETUITY?
COULD COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS BE A COULD COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS BE A
WAY OF MAKING REPAIR? WAY OF MAKING REPAIR?
A LAWYER, A POLICY ADVOCATE AND A LAWYER, A POLICY ADVOCATE AND
AN ORGANIZER WITH HOMELESS NEW AN ORGANIZER WITH HOMELESS NEW
YORKERS TALK ABOUT WHAT‘S YORKERS TALK ABOUT WHAT‘S
POSSIBLE AND WHAT‘S HAPPENING. POSSIBLE AND WHAT‘S HAPPENING.
NEXT, ON THE LAURA FLANDERS NEXT, ON THE LAURA FLANDERS
SHOW, THE PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE SHOW, THE PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE
WHO SAY IT CAN‘T BE DONE TAKE A WHO SAY IT CAN‘T BE DONE TAKE A
BACKSEAT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BACKSEAT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
DOING IT. DOING IT.
WELCOME. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪>>EVERY YEAR FOR>>EVERY YEAR FOR
30 YEARS REPRESENTATIVE JOHN 30 YEARS REPRESENTATIVE JOHN
CONYERS INTRODUCED A BILL CONYERS INTRODUCED A BILL
CALLING FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT CALLING FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
TO STUDY PROVIDING REPARATIONS TO STUDY PROVIDING REPARATIONS
TO AFRICAN AMERICANS FOR TO AFRICAN AMERICANS FOR
SLAVERY. SLAVERY.
CONGRESS HASN‘T ACTED YET. CONGRESS HASN‘T ACTED YET.
BUT THIS YEAR HAS ALREADY SEEN BUT THIS YEAR HAS ALREADY SEEN
MORE DEMOCRATS TALKING ABOUT MORE DEMOCRATS TALKING ABOUT
REPARATIONS THAN EVER, INCLUDING REPARATIONS THAN EVER, INCLUDING
SEVERAL RUNNING FOR THE SEVERAL RUNNING FOR THE
PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY.
NOW RATHER THAN WRITING CHECKS NOW RATHER THAN WRITING CHECKS
TO INDIVIDUALS, MORE AND MORE TO INDIVIDUALS, MORE AND MORE
PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT
COLLECTIVE STRATEGIES FOR REPAIR COLLECTIVE STRATEGIES FOR REPAIR
AND REPARATION. AND REPARATION.
COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS, COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS,
COOPERATIVES, AND MUTUAL HOUSING COOPERATIVES, AND MUTUAL HOUSING
ASSOCIATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, MIGHT ASSOCIATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, MIGHT
OFFER A WAY TO TRANSFER SOME OFFER A WAY TO TRANSFER SOME
LONG-PROMISED LAND AND RIGHTS TO LONG-PROMISED LAND AND RIGHTS TO
AMERICA‘S BLACK COMMUNITIES AMERICA‘S BLACK COMMUNITIES
WHILE MAKING TODAY‘S HOUSING WHILE MAKING TODAY‘S HOUSING
ECONOMY LESS SPECULATIVE. ECONOMY LESS SPECULATIVE.
DO LAND TRUSTS ACTUALLY MODEL A DO LAND TRUSTS ACTUALLY MODEL A
DOABLE WAY OF REPAIRING THE DOABLE WAY OF REPAIRING THE
DAMAGE OF THE PAST WHILE DAMAGE OF THE PAST WHILE
SIMULTANEOUSLY CREATING A MORE SIMULTANEOUSLY CREATING A MORE
EQUITABLE ECONOMY GOING FORWARD? EQUITABLE ECONOMY GOING FORWARD?
JUST POSSIBLY. JUST POSSIBLY.
JOINING US TO DISCUSS THOSE JOINING US TO DISCUSS THOSE
POSSIBILITIES ARE KATHERINE POSSIBILITIES ARE KATHERINE
FRANKE. FRANKE.
SHE‘S THE AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK, SHE‘S THE AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK,
“REPAIR: REDEEMING THE PROMISE “REPAIR: REDEEMING THE PROMISE
OF ABOLITION.” OF ABOLITION.”
CATHY ALBISA, CO-FOUNDER AND CATHY ALBISA, CO-FOUNDER AND
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NESRI, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NESRI,
THAT‘S THE NATIONAL ECONOMIC AND THAT‘S THE NATIONAL ECONOMIC AND
SOCIAL RIGHTS INITIATIVE. SOCIAL RIGHTS INITIATIVE.
AND JARITZA GEIGEL, SHE‘S A AND JARITZA GEIGEL, SHE‘S A
SENIOR ORGANIZER FOR PICTURE THE SENIOR ORGANIZER FOR PICTURE THE
HOMELESS, A GRASSROOTS HOMELESS, A GRASSROOTS
ORGANIZATION FOUNDED AND LED BY ORGANIZATION FOUNDED AND LED BY
HOMELESS PEOPLE WHICH ADVOCATES HOMELESS PEOPLE WHICH ADVOCATES
FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE ON ISSUES FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE ON ISSUES
LIKE HOUSING, AND WHAT THEY CALL LIKE HOUSING, AND WHAT THEY CALL
THE SHELTER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. THE SHELTER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
WELCOME EVERYBODY. WELCOME EVERYBODY.
SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU. SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
LET‘S START WITH A LITTLE LET‘S START WITH A LITTLE
HISTORY. HISTORY.
I HATE TO DO THIS TO YOU, I HATE TO DO THIS TO YOU,
KATHERINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KATHERINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
DON‘T KNOW THEIR HISTORY, THEY DON‘T KNOW THEIR HISTORY, THEY
DON‘T GET TAUGHT IT. DON‘T GET TAUGHT IT.
SO WHEN WE‘RE TALKING ABOUT SO WHEN WE‘RE TALKING ABOUT
REPAIR, WHEN WE‘RE TALKING ABOUT REPAIR, WHEN WE‘RE TALKING ABOUT
REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY, SOME REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY, SOME
MIGHT SAY, “WELL, WASN‘T THERE MIGHT SAY, “WELL, WASN‘T THERE
RECONSTRUCTION? RECONSTRUCTION?
DIDN‘T SLAVERY END?” DIDN‘T SLAVERY END?”
>>WELL, IN YOUR>>WELL, IN YOUR
MIDDLE SCHOOL SOCIAL STUDIES MIDDLE SCHOOL SOCIAL STUDIES
CLASS, OR YOUR HISTORY CLASS, CLASS, OR YOUR HISTORY CLASS,
YOU GET THE STORY OF, “WE FOUGHT YOU GET THE STORY OF, “WE FOUGHT
A CIVIL WAR OVER SLAVERY, THE A CIVIL WAR OVER SLAVERY, THE
SLAVES WERE FREED, THERE WAS SLAVES WERE FREED, THERE WAS
RECONSTRUCTION THAT SORT OF RECONSTRUCTION THAT SORT OF
REBUILT THE ECONOMY OF THE REBUILT THE ECONOMY OF THE
SOUTH. SOUTH.
AND THEN, HERE WE ARE TODAY AND AND THEN, HERE WE ARE TODAY AND
THAT‘S ALL THAT WAS OWED.” THAT‘S ALL THAT WAS OWED.”
BUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS BUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS
THAT PEOPLE WERE EMANCIPATED, THAT PEOPLE WERE EMANCIPATED,
WERE FREED FROM SLAVERY INTO A WERE FREED FROM SLAVERY INTO A
CONDITION OF ABJECT POVERTY, CONDITION OF ABJECT POVERTY,
INTO A KIND OF WORLD WHERE WHITE INTO A KIND OF WORLD WHERE WHITE
SUPREMACY AND VIOLENT RACISM SUPREMACY AND VIOLENT RACISM
STILL STRUCTURED THEIR LIVES. STILL STRUCTURED THEIR LIVES.
AND PART OF WHAT I WANTED TO DO AND PART OF WHAT I WANTED TO DO
WITH REPAIR IS RETURN TO THAT WITH REPAIR IS RETURN TO THAT
HISTORY, AND ILLUMINATE THE WAYS HISTORY, AND ILLUMINATE THE WAYS
IN WHICH EVEN NORTHERN MILITARY IN WHICH EVEN NORTHERN MILITARY
OFFICIALS SAW IT AS NECESSARY TO OFFICIALS SAW IT AS NECESSARY TO
PROVIDE REPARATIONS IN THE FORM PROVIDE REPARATIONS IN THE FORM
OF LAND TO FREED PEOPLE, BOTH AS OF LAND TO FREED PEOPLE, BOTH AS
A WAY TO RECOGNIZE THE HORRIBLE A WAY TO RECOGNIZE THE HORRIBLE
TORTURE, THEFT, RAPE, DEATH, TORTURE, THEFT, RAPE, DEATH,
SEPARATION OF FAMILIES THAT SEPARATION OF FAMILIES THAT
STRUCTURED SLAVERY, BUT ALSO TO STRUCTURED SLAVERY, BUT ALSO TO
MAKE FREEDOM A REALITY, A MAKE FREEDOM A REALITY, A
PRACTICAL REALITY FOR FREED PRACTICAL REALITY FOR FREED
PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME RESOURCES AS PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME RESOURCES AS
THEY BEGAN AND REBUILT FREE THEY BEGAN AND REBUILT FREE
LIVES. LIVES.
SO, WE‘VE DONE IT. SO, WE‘VE DONE IT.
WE‘VE DONE IT IN THIS COUNTRY, WE‘VE DONE IT IN THIS COUNTRY,
BUT WE DON‘T KNOW IT. BUT WE DON‘T KNOW IT.
SO, PART OF WHAT THE BOOK IS A SO, PART OF WHAT THE BOOK IS A
BIT DESIGNED TO DO IS REPAIR BIT DESIGNED TO DO IS REPAIR
THAT HISTORY, IS TO BRING US THAT HISTORY, IS TO BRING US
BACK TO THAT PERIOD AND SEE THAT BACK TO THAT PERIOD AND SEE THAT
THIS WAS DOABLE THEN, AND IT WAS THIS WAS DOABLE THEN, AND IT WAS
SEEN AS NECESSARY TO WHAT IT SEEN AS NECESSARY TO WHAT IT
MEANT TO EMANCIPATE FREE PEOPLE. MEANT TO EMANCIPATE FREE PEOPLE.
>>NOW, JARI, TO>>NOW, JARI, TO
YOU, I MEAN YOU WORK WITH PEOPLE YOU, I MEAN YOU WORK WITH PEOPLE
THAT ARE DEALING WITH VERY THAT ARE DEALING WITH VERY
URGENT NEEDS AND CONCERNS. URGENT NEEDS AND CONCERNS.
DOES THIS HISTORY RESONATE? DOES THIS HISTORY RESONATE?
DOES IT HAVE LIFE TODAY? DOES IT HAVE LIFE TODAY?
>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY.
I LOOK AMBIGUOUS, BUT BEING A I LOOK AMBIGUOUS, BUT BEING A
BLACK YOUNG WOMAN MYSELF AND BLACK YOUNG WOMAN MYSELF AND
UNDERSTANDING MY HERITAGE, AND UNDERSTANDING MY HERITAGE, AND
MY ANCESTRY, AND WHERE IT ALL MY ANCESTRY, AND WHERE IT ALL
LEADS TO, WE‘RE LIVING IN MODERN LEADS TO, WE‘RE LIVING IN MODERN
DAY COLONIAL TIMES OF WHAT DAY COLONIAL TIMES OF WHAT
PEOPLE BEING DISPLACED OR PEOPLE BEING DISPLACED OR
ACTUALLY LAND BEING STOLEN AND ACTUALLY LAND BEING STOLEN AND
CONTINUED TO BEING OCCUPIED THIS CONTINUED TO BEING OCCUPIED THIS
DAY BY THE DESCENDANTS OF DAY BY THE DESCENDANTS OF
EUROPEAN SETTLERS LOOK LIKE, AND EUROPEAN SETTLERS LOOK LIKE, AND
THE IMPACT OF THAT, RIGHT? THE IMPACT OF THAT, RIGHT?
SO I AM NOW IN BUSHWICK, THAT SO I AM NOW IN BUSHWICK, THAT
HAS BEEN GENTRIFIED FOR OVER THE HAS BEEN GENTRIFIED FOR OVER THE
LAST 20 YEARS. LAST 20 YEARS.
AND ANY MONTH NOW, YOU CAN BE AND ANY MONTH NOW, YOU CAN BE
PRICED OUT. PRICED OUT.
I‘VE HAD TO WATCH MANY FAMILY I‘VE HAD TO WATCH MANY FAMILY
MEMBERS MOVE OUT OF THE MEMBERS MOVE OUT OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS, GO TO NEIGHBORHOODS, GO TO
SURROUNDING, LIKE JERSEY CITY, SURROUNDING, LIKE JERSEY CITY,
TO TRY TO GO TO MORE AFFORDABLE TO TRY TO GO TO MORE AFFORDABLE
PLACES. PLACES.
AND THEN YOU‘RE EVEN BEGINNING AND THEN YOU‘RE EVEN BEGINNING
TO SEE THOSE SURROUNDING AREAS TO SEE THOSE SURROUNDING AREAS
IN THE TRI-STATE BEGINNING TO IN THE TRI-STATE BEGINNING TO
BECOME EVEN MORE PRICED OUT BECOME EVEN MORE PRICED OUT
BECAUSE OF GENTRIFICATION, AND BECAUSE OF GENTRIFICATION, AND
HOW FOLKS ARE CONTINUOUSLY BEING HOW FOLKS ARE CONTINUOUSLY BEING
DISPLACED, AND THEN EITHER DISPLACED, AND THEN EITHER
ENTERING THE STREETS, AND TRYING ENTERING THE STREETS, AND TRYING
TO SURVIVE THAT, OR ENTER THE TO SURVIVE THAT, OR ENTER THE
SHELTER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX THAT SHELTER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX THAT
REALLY, IT‘S NOT A HOME. REALLY, IT‘S NOT A HOME.
AND IT HASN‘T REALLY GUARANTEED AND IT HASN‘T REALLY GUARANTEED
ANY REAL SUSTAINABLE PATHWAY FOR ANY REAL SUSTAINABLE PATHWAY FOR
FOLKS GETTING OUT OF SHELTER AND FOLKS GETTING OUT OF SHELTER AND
BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING FOR BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING FOR
FOLKS, AND LET ALONE HAVE FOLKS, AND LET ALONE HAVE
OWNERSHIP OVER THOSE HOMES. OWNERSHIP OVER THOSE HOMES.
>>I‘M HEARING A>>I‘M HEARING A
LOT OF RESONANCE HERE. LOT OF RESONANCE HERE.
CATHY, YOUR ORGANIZATION CATHY, YOUR ORGANIZATION
RECENTLY RELEASED SOMETHING RECENTLY RELEASED SOMETHING
CALLED THE NEW SOCIAL CONTRACT, CALLED THE NEW SOCIAL CONTRACT,
THAT KNITS TOGETHER A PICTURE OF THAT KNITS TOGETHER A PICTURE OF
THE FUTURE THAT COULD BE THE FUTURE THAT COULD BE
DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT.
BUT HOW DO YOU CONNECT TO THIS BUT HOW DO YOU CONNECT TO THIS
HISTORY? HISTORY?
>>WHAT I‘D LIKE TO START>>WHAT I‘D LIKE TO START
WITH WAS, SOME OF THE CONCEPTS WITH WAS, SOME OF THE CONCEPTS
THAT STRUCK ME MOST POWERFULLY THAT STRUCK ME MOST POWERFULLY
IN KATHERINE‘S BOOK, BECAUSE I IN KATHERINE‘S BOOK, BECAUSE I
WAS REALLY EXCITED AS I WAS WAS REALLY EXCITED AS I WAS
READING IT. READING IT.
PART ONE PRONG OF OUR NEW SOCIAL PART ONE PRONG OF OUR NEW SOCIAL
CONTRACT WORK IS LAND, HOUSING, CONTRACT WORK IS LAND, HOUSING,
AND NATURAL RESOURCES. AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
AND WE WORK WITH PICTURE THE AND WE WORK WITH PICTURE THE
HOMELESS ON SOME OF THESE HOMELESS ON SOME OF THESE
ISSUES, WE LEAD ADVANCING THE ISSUES, WE LEAD ADVANCING THE
NOTION OF COMMUNITY CONTROL, AND NOTION OF COMMUNITY CONTROL, AND
COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP OF LAND. COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP OF LAND.
FOR THOSE WHO DON‘T KNOW, A FOR THOSE WHO DON‘T KNOW, A
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS LAND COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS LAND
THAT IS OWNED COLLECTIVELY, BUT THAT IS OWNED COLLECTIVELY, BUT
THE HOUSES ARE OWNED THE HOUSES ARE OWNED
INDIVIDUALLY BY FAMILIES. INDIVIDUALLY BY FAMILIES.
AND SO THEY ARE BUILDING EQUITY, AND SO THEY ARE BUILDING EQUITY,
ARE BUILDING WEALTH, BUT YOU‘RE ARE BUILDING WEALTH, BUT YOU‘RE
DOING SO OUTSIDE OF THE DOING SO OUTSIDE OF THE
SPECULATIVE ECONOMY. SPECULATIVE ECONOMY.
THERE IS A CONTRACT, THERE‘S AN THERE IS A CONTRACT, THERE‘S AN
AGREEMENT AMONGST ALL THE AGREEMENT AMONGST ALL THE
NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS, THE
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, TO KEEP COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, TO KEEP
THE HOUSING PERMANENTLY THE HOUSING PERMANENTLY
AFFORDABLE. AFFORDABLE.
THIS IS WHAT PREVENTS THE THIS IS WHAT PREVENTS THE
ONGOING DISPLACEMENT THAT YOU ONGOING DISPLACEMENT THAT YOU
WERE DESCRIBING. WERE DESCRIBING.
NOW WHAT STRUCK ME ABOUT NOW WHAT STRUCK ME ABOUT
KATHERINE‘S BOOK, AS I WAS KATHERINE‘S BOOK, AS I WAS
READING TWO CONCEPTS THAT FOR ME READING TWO CONCEPTS THAT FOR ME
KNITTED TOGETHER WHY THIS IS KNITTED TOGETHER WHY THIS IS
SUCH A POWERFUL CONVERSATION, SUCH A POWERFUL CONVERSATION,
AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS NOW IN AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS NOW IN
ORDER TO REALLY RETHINK HOW WE ORDER TO REALLY RETHINK HOW WE
TALK ABOUT LAND, HOUSING, AND TALK ABOUT LAND, HOUSING, AND
EVEN NATURAL RESOURCES. EVEN NATURAL RESOURCES.
KATHERINE TALKED ABOUT KATHERINE TALKED ABOUT
RECOVERING POSSIBLE FUTURES. RECOVERING POSSIBLE FUTURES.
THE IDEA THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE THE IDEA THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE
EVEN THEN WHO KNEW THIS WAS THE EVEN THEN WHO KNEW THIS WAS THE
RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO.
TO GIVE REPARATIONS, TO GIVE IT TO GIVE REPARATIONS, TO GIVE IT
IN A CONCRETE FORM OF LAND, THE IN A CONCRETE FORM OF LAND, THE
LAND PEOPLE HAD BEEN WORKING FOR LAND PEOPLE HAD BEEN WORKING FOR
YEARS, IF NOT GENERATIONS. YEARS, IF NOT GENERATIONS.
AND IT WAS ABRUPTLY CUT OFF, AND IT WAS ABRUPTLY CUT OFF,
RIGHT? RIGHT?
IT WAS ABRUPTLY CUT OFF BY THE IT WAS ABRUPTLY CUT OFF BY THE
WHITE SUPREMACY THAT PUSHED US WHITE SUPREMACY THAT PUSHED US
OFF THAT PATH. OFF THAT PATH.
AND TO RECOVER THAT POSSIBLE AND TO RECOVER THAT POSSIBLE
FUTURE, THE OTHER CONCEPT SHE FUTURE, THE OTHER CONCEPT SHE
TALKS ABOUT IN THE BOOK IS, WE TALKS ABOUT IN THE BOOK IS, WE
NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HISTORY AND DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HISTORY AND
MEMORY. MEMORY.
SO WE‘VE RELEGATED IT TO SO WE‘VE RELEGATED IT TO
HISTORY, BUT WE HAVEN‘T REALLY HISTORY, BUT WE HAVEN‘T REALLY
EMBEDDED IT IN OUR CULTURAL EMBEDDED IT IN OUR CULTURAL
MEMORY. MEMORY.
SO HOW CAN YOU FIX SOMETHING IF SO HOW CAN YOU FIX SOMETHING IF
YOU HAVE COLLECTIVE AMNESIA, AND YOU HAVE COLLECTIVE AMNESIA, AND
YOU REFUSE TO FACE IT? YOU REFUSE TO FACE IT?
SO EXCAVATING AND RECOVERING SO EXCAVATING AND RECOVERING
THIS MEMORY, MAKING OUR HISTORY THIS MEMORY, MAKING OUR HISTORY
AND OUR MEMORY WHOLE AGAIN, AND OUR MEMORY WHOLE AGAIN,
ALLOWS US TO THINK ABOUT THIS ALLOWS US TO THINK ABOUT THIS
MODEL IN A REAL WAY. MODEL IN A REAL WAY.
IT WOULD BE REALLY WONDERFUL AS IT WOULD BE REALLY WONDERFUL AS
A FORM OF REPARATIONS, BUT IT A FORM OF REPARATIONS, BUT IT
WOULD ACTUALLY BE GOOD AS MOST WOULD ACTUALLY BE GOOD AS MOST
THINGS ARE, THEY‘RE JUST FOR THE THINGS ARE, THEY‘RE JUST FOR THE
ENTIRE COUNTRY. ENTIRE COUNTRY.
>>SO LET ME COME>>SO LET ME COME
BACK TO YOU, KATHERINE. BACK TO YOU, KATHERINE.
IF PEOPLE DO HAVE A MEMORY, THEY IF PEOPLE DO HAVE A MEMORY, THEY
HAVE A MEMORY THAT PEOPLE WERE HAVE A MEMORY THAT PEOPLE WERE
INTENDING TO DO SOMETHING ALONG INTENDING TO DO SOMETHING ALONG
THE LINES OF REPAIR, AND WERE THE LINES OF REPAIR, AND WERE
STOPPED, AS CATHY JUST SAID. STOPPED, AS CATHY JUST SAID.
THIS DIDN‘T HAPPEN. THIS DIDN‘T HAPPEN.
>>WELL IT ACTUALLY>>WELL IT ACTUALLY
DID, IN THE SEA ISLANDS AREA, DID, IN THE SEA ISLANDS AREA,
AND THEN IN ANOTHER AREA JUST AND THEN IN ANOTHER AREA JUST
OUTSIDE OF VICKSBURG. OUTSIDE OF VICKSBURG.
LAND WAS SEIZED FROM THE LAND WAS SEIZED FROM THE
CONFEDERATE PLANTATION OWNERS CONFEDERATE PLANTATION OWNERS
WHEN THEY FLED. WHEN THEY FLED.
SO THAT LAND WAS SEIZED, AND SO THAT LAND WAS SEIZED, AND
THEN IT WAS EXPLICITLY AND THEN IT WAS EXPLICITLY AND
INTENTIONALLY REALLOCATED TO INTENTIONALLY REALLOCATED TO
FREE PEOPLE, IN 40-ACRE UNITS, FREE PEOPLE, IN 40-ACRE UNITS,
WHICH IS WHERE WE GET THAT TERM WHICH IS WHERE WE GET THAT TERM
TODAY OF 40 ACRES AND A MULE, TODAY OF 40 ACRES AND A MULE,
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS
IS HOW YOU‘LL BEGIN YOUR NEW IS HOW YOU‘LL BEGIN YOUR NEW
LIVES, ON THIS LAND. LIVES, ON THIS LAND.
AND ACTUALLY, THE GENERAL‘S AND ACTUALLY, THE GENERAL‘S
ORDER THAT ALLOWED FOR THOSE ORDER THAT ALLOWED FOR THOSE
ALLOCATIONS BARRED WHITE PEOPLE ALLOCATIONS BARRED WHITE PEOPLE
FROM ENTERING THOSE COMMUNITIES. FROM ENTERING THOSE COMMUNITIES.
AND THE IDEA WAS, “YOU PEOPLE AND THE IDEA WAS, “YOU PEOPLE
NEED TO HEAL. NEED TO HEAL.
AND YOU‘RE GOING TO HEAL AND AND YOU‘RE GOING TO HEAL AND
EMPOWER YOURSELVES, SEPARATE EMPOWER YOURSELVES, SEPARATE
FROM WHITE PEOPLE.” FROM WHITE PEOPLE.”
AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL AND AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL AND
EXCITING IDEA. EXCITING IDEA.
BUT AS SOON AS LINCOLN WAS BUT AS SOON AS LINCOLN WAS
ASSASSINATED, THE NEW PRESIDENT ASSASSINATED, THE NEW PRESIDENT
CAME IN, TOOK ALL THAT LAND CAME IN, TOOK ALL THAT LAND
BACK, AND GAVE IT TO THE FORMER BACK, AND GAVE IT TO THE FORMER
SLAVE OWNERS. SLAVE OWNERS.
AND THEN REQUIRED THAT FREE AND THEN REQUIRED THAT FREE
PEOPLE ENTER INTO YEAR-LONG PEOPLE ENTER INTO YEAR-LONG
LABOR CONTRACTS WITH THE PEOPLE LABOR CONTRACTS WITH THE PEOPLE
WHO HAD OWNED THEM BEFORE. WHO HAD OWNED THEM BEFORE.
SO THEY RE-INSTITUTED A FORM OF SO THEY RE-INSTITUTED A FORM OF
LEGALIZED SLAVERY JUST UNDER LEGALIZED SLAVERY JUST UNDER
ANOTHER NAME. ANOTHER NAME.
>>WITH THE BLACK>>WITH THE BLACK
CODES, AND SO ON. CODES, AND SO ON.
>>WITH THE BLACK>>WITH THE BLACK
CODES, AND ALL OF THAT. CODES, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, AS MICHELLE ALEXANDER TALKS SO, AS MICHELLE ALEXANDER TALKS
ABOUT, THE NEW JIM CROW, THE ABOUT, THE NEW JIM CROW, THE
SEEDS OF THAT WERE TAKING PLACE SEEDS OF THAT WERE TAKING PLACE
IN THE IMMEDIATE POST-WAR IN THE IMMEDIATE POST-WAR
PERIOD. PERIOD.
BUT FOR A LITTLE WINDOW OF TIME, BUT FOR A LITTLE WINDOW OF TIME,
THERE WAS A WHOLE OTHER MODEL. THERE WAS A WHOLE OTHER MODEL.
>>THAT WINDOW DID>>THAT WINDOW DID
EXTEND IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE EXTEND IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE
COUNTRY WITH THE GROWTH OF BLACK COUNTRY WITH THE GROWTH OF BLACK
TOWNS THAT WERE PRETTY TOWNS THAT WERE PRETTY
SUCCESSFUL UNTIL MASSIVE WHITE SUCCESSFUL UNTIL MASSIVE WHITE
BACKLASH AND WHITE SUPREMACIST BACKLASH AND WHITE SUPREMACIST
VIOLENCE MOVING RIGHT THROUGH TO VIOLENCE MOVING RIGHT THROUGH TO
THE 1920s, EVEN 1950s. THE 1920s, EVEN 1950s.
>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY.
THERE WERE A FEW TOWNS, LARGELY THERE WERE A FEW TOWNS, LARGELY
AFRICAN AMERICAN TOWNS OF FREE AFRICAN AMERICAN TOWNS OF FREE
PEOPLE, SORT OF PEPPERED THROUGH PEOPLE, SORT OF PEPPERED THROUGH
THE SOUTH. THE SOUTH.
BUT BY AND LARGE, THOSE BUT BY AND LARGE, THOSE
COMMUNITIES OF BLACK PEOPLE WERE COMMUNITIES OF BLACK PEOPLE WERE
DRIVEN OUT THROUGH LYNCHING, DRIVEN OUT THROUGH LYNCHING,
FROM STRAIGHT UP MURDER WITH A FROM STRAIGHT UP MURDER WITH A
GUN, THROUGH JUST TERROR, RACIAL GUN, THROUGH JUST TERROR, RACIAL
TERROR THAT TOOK PLACE IN WHAT TERROR THAT TOOK PLACE IN WHAT
WE THINK IS THIS PERIOD OF WE THINK IS THIS PERIOD OF
WONDERFUL RECONSTRUCTION. WONDERFUL RECONSTRUCTION.
IT ACTUALLY WAS A PERIOD OF IT ACTUALLY WAS A PERIOD OF
RACIAL TERROR, THAT DROVE WHAT RACIAL TERROR, THAT DROVE WHAT
WE UNDERSTAND TO BE THE GREAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE THE GREAT
MIGRATION OF FORMERLY ENSLAVED MIGRATION OF FORMERLY ENSLAVED
PEOPLE, AFRICAN AMERICANS TO THE PEOPLE, AFRICAN AMERICANS TO THE
NORTH, TO BEING LOCKED INTO NORTH, TO BEING LOCKED INTO
MULTIGENERATIONS OF REAL MULTIGENERATIONS OF REAL
POVERTY. POVERTY.
SO IF PEOPLE HAD HAD LAND, HAD SO IF PEOPLE HAD HAD LAND, HAD
HAD THE ABILITY TO BUILD FIRM HAD THE ABILITY TO BUILD FIRM
ECONOMIC LIVES IN THE IMMEDIATE ECONOMIC LIVES IN THE IMMEDIATE
POST-WAR PERIOD, WE WOULD SEE POST-WAR PERIOD, WE WOULD SEE
THE ECONOMY IN A VERY DIFFERENT THE ECONOMY IN A VERY DIFFERENT
RACIALLY STRATIFIED WAY TODAY. RACIALLY STRATIFIED WAY TODAY.
AND WHAT WE‘VE DONE INSTEAD IS AND WHAT WE‘VE DONE INSTEAD IS
LOCK PEOPLE INTO THIS SORT OF LOCK PEOPLE INTO THIS SORT OF
PERMANENT CONDITION OF POVERTY, PERMANENT CONDITION OF POVERTY,
WHICH BECAUSE WE HAVEN‘T WHICH BECAUSE WE HAVEN‘T
ACKNOWLEDGED THIS COLLECTIVE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS COLLECTIVE
RESPONSIBILITY, WE INDIVIDUALIZE RESPONSIBILITY, WE INDIVIDUALIZE
IT, AS IF IT‘S EACH BLACK IT, AS IF IT‘S EACH BLACK
PERSON‘S FAULT. PERSON‘S FAULT.
>>DO YOU WANT TO>>DO YOU WANT TO
TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
THOSE TWO MODELS THAT ARE THOSE TWO MODELS THAT ARE
CENTRAL TO YOUR STORY? CENTRAL TO YOUR STORY?
THE SEA ISLANDS IN SOUTH THE SEA ISLANDS IN SOUTH
CAROLINA, AND IS IT DAVIS BEND? CAROLINA, AND IS IT DAVIS BEND?
>>DAVIS BEND.>>DAVIS BEND.
SO JEFFERSON DAVIS WHO WAS THE SO JEFFERSON DAVIS WHO WAS THE
PRESIDENT OF THE CONFEDERACY, HE PRESIDENT OF THE CONFEDERACY, HE
AND HIS BROTHER OWNED A HUGE AND HIS BROTHER OWNED A HUGE
PLANTATION RIGHT OUTSIDE OF PLANTATION RIGHT OUTSIDE OF
VICKSBURG. VICKSBURG.
AND AS SOON AS GENERAL GRANT AND AS SOON AS GENERAL GRANT
MOVED IN TO THAT AREA WITH THE MOVED IN TO THAT AREA WITH THE
NORTHERN TROOPS, AND ALL OF THE NORTHERN TROOPS, AND ALL OF THE
WHITE PEOPLE, THE CONFEDERATES WHITE PEOPLE, THE CONFEDERATES
HAD TO LEAVE, BLACK PEOPLE TOOK HAD TO LEAVE, BLACK PEOPLE TOOK
OVER. OVER.
THEY RAN THE PLANTATIONS, THEY THEY RAN THE PLANTATIONS, THEY
WERE ALLOCATED LAND. WERE ALLOCATED LAND.
IT WAS EXPLICITLY UNDERSTOOD IT WAS EXPLICITLY UNDERSTOOD
THAT THIS WOULD BE A KIND OF THAT THIS WOULD BE A KIND OF
BLACK HAVEN, A HAVEN OF AN BLACK HAVEN, A HAVEN OF AN
EXPERIMENT IN FREEDOM. EXPERIMENT IN FREEDOM.
A SIMILAR THING TOOK PLACE IN A SIMILAR THING TOOK PLACE IN
THE SEA ISLANDS. THE SEA ISLANDS.
ALL OF THE WHITE PEOPLE FLED ALL OF THE WHITE PEOPLE FLED
WHEN THE NORTHERN TROOPS CAME WHEN THE NORTHERN TROOPS CAME
IN, AND THE NORTHERN MILITARY IN, AND THE NORTHERN MILITARY
SAW A KIND OF HUMAN HORROR THAT SAW A KIND OF HUMAN HORROR THAT
SHOOK THEM TO THEIR CORE. SHOOK THEM TO THEIR CORE.
BY FACING WHAT SLAVERY LOOKED BY FACING WHAT SLAVERY LOOKED
LIKE, THE KIND OF CONDITION THAT LIKE, THE KIND OF CONDITION THAT
THE ENSLAVED PEOPLE PRESENTED THE ENSLAVED PEOPLE PRESENTED
THEMSELVES TO THE NORTHERN THEMSELVES TO THE NORTHERN
MILITARY, SICK, HUNGRY, WITH NO MILITARY, SICK, HUNGRY, WITH NO
CLOTHING. CLOTHING.
AND THEY WERE SO INCREDIBLY AND THEY WERE SO INCREDIBLY
MOVED THAT, “WE HAVE TO DO MOVED THAT, “WE HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING TO REPAIR THIS SOMETHING TO REPAIR THIS
SITUATION. SITUATION.
IT IMPLICATES US. IT IMPLICATES US.
MERE EMANCIPATION IS NOT MERE EMANCIPATION IS NOT
ENOUGH.” ENOUGH.”
AND SO, 40-ACRE PLOTS OF LAND AND SO, 40-ACRE PLOTS OF LAND
WERE ALLOCATED TO FAMILIES. WERE ALLOCATED TO FAMILIES.
AND WHAT‘S REALLY INTERESTING IS AND WHAT‘S REALLY INTERESTING IS
THAT FOLKS TENDED TO LIVE IN THAT FOLKS TENDED TO LIVE IN
COLLECTIVE UNITS, NOT JUST COLLECTIVE UNITS, NOT JUST
NUCLEAR FAMILIES, BECAUSE THAT‘S NUCLEAR FAMILIES, BECAUSE THAT‘S
HOW THEY HAD BEEN LIVING BEFORE. HOW THEY HAD BEEN LIVING BEFORE.
AND ALSO, THE WAY THAT SLAVERY AND ALSO, THE WAY THAT SLAVERY
SPLIT FAMILIES UP, THERE WERE SPLIT FAMILIES UP, THERE WERE
COMPLICATED KINSHIP COMPLICATED KINSHIP
RELATIONSHIPS, MULTIPLE PARENTS. RELATIONSHIPS, MULTIPLE PARENTS.
>>SURVIVAL STRATEGIES TOO.>>SURVIVAL STRATEGIES TOO.
>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD
TODAY RETURN TO THAT IDEA OF TODAY RETURN TO THAT IDEA OF
COLLECTIVE COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP, COLLECTIVE COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP,
REFLECTS ALSO WHAT WAS GOING ON REFLECTS ALSO WHAT WAS GOING ON
IN THAT PERIOD. IN THAT PERIOD.
>>IT‘S HARD, JARI,>>IT‘S HARD, JARI,
NOT TO THINK OF THE WHAT IFS. NOT TO THINK OF THE WHAT IFS.
ARE THERE WHAT IFS RUNNING ARE THERE WHAT IFS RUNNING
THROUGH YOUR HEAD AS YOU HEAR THROUGH YOUR HEAD AS YOU HEAR
THESE STORIES? THESE STORIES?
AND DID YOU KNOW THEM? AND DID YOU KNOW THEM?
I DIDN‘T KNOW THEM. I DIDN‘T KNOW THEM.
>>THERE ARE NO WHAT IFS>>THERE ARE NO WHAT IFS
THAT RUN THROUGH MY STORY. THAT RUN THROUGH MY STORY.
GOING BACK TO WHEN, AS YOU WERE GOING BACK TO WHEN, AS YOU WERE
SAYING, BLACK FARMERS IN THE SAYING, BLACK FARMERS IN THE
SOUTH REALLY KIND OF STARTED SOUTH REALLY KIND OF STARTED
THIS WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THIS WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS OF
COMMUNITY LIVING, AND COMMUNITY COMMUNITY LIVING, AND COMMUNITY
LAND TRUST, IF YOU WANT TO THINK LAND TRUST, IF YOU WANT TO THINK
ABOUT IT, THIS GOES BACK TO ABOUT IT, THIS GOES BACK TO
NATIVE INDIGENOUS PRACTICES, NATIVE INDIGENOUS PRACTICES,
WHERE OUR THOUGHT AND THE WAY WE WHERE OUR THOUGHT AND THE WAY WE
VIEWED LAND, IT WAS THIS VIEWED LAND, IT WAS THIS
COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP WHERE WE COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP WHERE WE
COULD ALL LIVE, AND BE COULD ALL LIVE, AND BE
PROSPEROUS, AND HAVE LONG-TERM PROSPEROUS, AND HAVE LONG-TERM
SUSTAINABILITY. SUSTAINABILITY.
SO FOR ME, IT‘S NOT A DREAM. SO FOR ME, IT‘S NOT A DREAM.
IT‘S NOT SOMETHING THAT‘S TOO IT‘S NOT SOMETHING THAT‘S TOO
FAR OUT OF REACH. FAR OUT OF REACH.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
POSSIBLE. POSSIBLE.
THIS IS ONE OUT OF MANY TOOLS THIS IS ONE OUT OF MANY TOOLS
THAT OUR COMMUNITIES CAN BENEFIT THAT OUR COMMUNITIES CAN BENEFIT
FROM. FROM.
AND PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY
HAVE BEEN, THIS IS NOT A NEW HAVE BEEN, THIS IS NOT A NEW
CONCEPT. CONCEPT.
PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE
USING THIS FORM AS A WAY TO USING THIS FORM AS A WAY TO
MAINTAIN AFFORDABLE WAYS OF MAINTAIN AFFORDABLE WAYS OF
LIVING RIGHT NOW. LIVING RIGHT NOW.
>>CATHY, YOU WANTED>>CATHY, YOU WANTED
TO COMMENT ON THIS? TO COMMENT ON THIS?
>>I DO, BECAUSE I THINK THE>>I DO, BECAUSE I THINK THE
OTHER THING THAT IT SHOULD CAUSE OTHER THING THAT IT SHOULD CAUSE
US TO THINK ABOUT IS SORT OF US TO THINK ABOUT IS SORT OF
INTERROGATE WHAT WE THINK OF AS INTERROGATE WHAT WE THINK OF AS
FREEDOM. FREEDOM.
YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION IN THE YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION IN THE
BOOK BETWEEN BEING FREE AND BOOK BETWEEN BEING FREE AND
BEING FREED. BEING FREED.
SO PEOPLE WERE FREED, BUT THEY SO PEOPLE WERE FREED, BUT THEY
WEREN‘T FREE. WEREN‘T FREE.
AND NONE OF US ARE FREE RIGHT AND NONE OF US ARE FREE RIGHT
NOW, RIGHT? NOW, RIGHT?
NOT IN THIS ECONOMY AND NOT IN NOT IN THIS ECONOMY AND NOT IN
THIS POLITICAL SYSTEM. THIS POLITICAL SYSTEM.
THE COLLECTIVITY THAT WAS BEING THE COLLECTIVITY THAT WAS BEING
PRACTICED IN THOSE TWO SPACES, PRACTICED IN THOSE TWO SPACES,
THE SEA ISLANDS AND DAVIS BEND, THE SEA ISLANDS AND DAVIS BEND,
THAT WAS A FORM OF BEING FREE, THAT WAS A FORM OF BEING FREE,
NOT JUST FREED. NOT JUST FREED.
AND THE COLLECTIVITY WE CAN AND THE COLLECTIVITY WE CAN
PRACTICE TODAY, YOU HAD PRACTICE TODAY, YOU HAD
MENTIONED OUR NEW SOCIAL MENTIONED OUR NEW SOCIAL
CONTRACT PROJECT. CONTRACT PROJECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL FIVE PRONGS, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL FIVE PRONGS,
IT‘S A WAY OF ACTING IT‘S A WAY OF ACTING
COLLECTIVELY, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY COLLECTIVELY, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY
BE FREE. BE FREE.
AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, NOT AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, NOT
ONLY IS THERE NO CONTRADICTION ONLY IS THERE NO CONTRADICTION
BETWEEN THAT, ONE IS ABSOLUTELY BETWEEN THAT, ONE IS ABSOLUTELY
IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT THE OTHER. IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
>>CATHERINE, TO YOU.>>CATHERINE, TO YOU.
IT‘S BEAUTIFUL WHAT CATHY IS IT‘S BEAUTIFUL WHAT CATHY IS
DOING HERE, BUT I CAN‘T HELP DOING HERE, BUT I CAN‘T HELP
THINKING, AND WE‘LL COME BACK TO THINKING, AND WE‘LL COME BACK TO
YOU ON THIS TOO, CATHY, OF YOU ON THIS TOO, CATHY, OF
COURSE. COURSE.
THERE WAS A WHITE SUPREMACIST THERE WAS A WHITE SUPREMACIST
BACKLASH THEN, THIS FEELS LIKE A BACKLASH THEN, THIS FEELS LIKE A
WHITE SUPREMACIST REVIVAL MOMENT WHITE SUPREMACIST REVIVAL MOMENT
NOW. NOW.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS
CONVERSATION IS RIPE FOR THIS CONVERSATION IS RIPE FOR THIS
SECOND? SECOND?
>>WELL WE‘VE NEVER>>WELL WE‘VE NEVER
EXPERIENCED A PERIOD WHERE WHITE EXPERIENCED A PERIOD WHERE WHITE
SUPREMACY DIDN‘T STRUCTURE OUR SUPREMACY DIDN‘T STRUCTURE OUR
POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, LEGAL POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, LEGAL
LIVES. LIVES.
WHAT I FIND SURPRISING, AND I WHAT I FIND SURPRISING, AND I
CERTAINLY DIDN‘T THINK THIS AS I CERTAINLY DIDN‘T THINK THIS AS I
WAS WRITING THE BOOK, OR WAS WRITING THE BOOK, OR
STARTING TO WRITE THE BOOK 10 STARTING TO WRITE THE BOOK 10
YEARS AGO, IS THAT THE ISSUE OF YEARS AGO, IS THAT THE ISSUE OF
REPARATIONS IS ACTUALLY A REPARATIONS IS ACTUALLY A
LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION RIGHT LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION RIGHT
NOW. NOW.
YOU‘VE NOTED THERE‘S BEEN A BILL YOU‘VE NOTED THERE‘S BEEN A BILL
INTRODUCED INTO CONGRESS YEAR, INTRODUCED INTO CONGRESS YEAR,
AFTER YEAR, AFTER YEAR. AFTER YEAR, AFTER YEAR.
NOT TO DELIVER REPARATIONS, BUT NOT TO DELIVER REPARATIONS, BUT
JUST TO STUDY IT. JUST TO STUDY IT.
AND THEY COULDN‘T EVEN GET A AND THEY COULDN‘T EVEN GET A
HEARING ON IT. HEARING ON IT.
THE BILL IS NOW GETTING A THE BILL IS NOW GETTING A
HEARING. HEARING.
EVERY PERSON WHO‘S RUNNING FOR EVERY PERSON WHO‘S RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY IS TALKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT PARTY IS TALKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT
REPARATIONS. REPARATIONS.
ACTUALLY IF THEY DON‘T HAVE A ACTUALLY IF THEY DON‘T HAVE A
POSITION, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY‘RE POSITION, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY‘RE
ACTUALLY NOT WITH THE PROGRAM. ACTUALLY NOT WITH THE PROGRAM.
SO, TO SAY THAT WHITE SO, TO SAY THAT WHITE
SUPREMACISTS WON‘T HAVE A SUPREMACISTS WON‘T HAVE A
REACTION TO THESE PROPOSALS AND REACTION TO THESE PROPOSALS AND
TO THE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION OF TO THE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION OF
REPARATIONS, WOULD BE TO IGNORE REPARATIONS, WOULD BE TO IGNORE
THE POWER OF WHITE SUPREMACY. THE POWER OF WHITE SUPREMACY.
BUT SOMETHING HAS BROKEN OUT BUT SOMETHING HAS BROKEN OUT
HERE. HERE.
>>I‘VE HEARD>>I‘VE HEARD
ELIZABETH WARREN, I‘VE HEARD ELIZABETH WARREN, I‘VE HEARD
KAMALA HARRIS. KAMALA HARRIS.
BERNIE SANDERS WAS TERRIBLE ON BERNIE SANDERS WAS TERRIBLE ON
THIS LAST TIME AROUND, ALTHOUGH THIS LAST TIME AROUND, ALTHOUGH
I WAS VERY POSITIVELY DISPOSED I WAS VERY POSITIVELY DISPOSED
WITH HIM GENERALLY, BUT HE WAS WITH HIM GENERALLY, BUT HE WAS
TERRIBLE ON THIS. TERRIBLE ON THIS.
HAS HE CHANGED? HAS HE CHANGED?
>>HE‘S GOTTEN BETTER.>>HE‘S GOTTEN BETTER.
HE‘S EVOLVING ON A LOT OF THINGS HE‘S EVOLVING ON A LOT OF THINGS
THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RACIAL THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RACIAL
JUSTICE. JUSTICE.
IT‘S NOT WHERE HIS HEART LIES, I IT‘S NOT WHERE HIS HEART LIES, I
THINK. THINK.
ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN A WAY THAT ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN A WAY THAT
DOESN‘T FIGURE RACIAL JUSTICE AT DOESN‘T FIGURE RACIAL JUSTICE AT
ITS CORE AS I THINK OUR WORK ITS CORE AS I THINK OUR WORK
DOES, IS NOT REALLY A DOES, IS NOT REALLY A
COMFORTABLE PLACE FOR HIM BUT COMFORTABLE PLACE FOR HIM BUT
HE‘S WORKING ON IT. HE‘S WORKING ON IT.
SO HE DID DESCRIBE REPARATIONS SO HE DID DESCRIBE REPARATIONS
EARLIER AS DIVISIVE. EARLIER AS DIVISIVE.
BUT HE‘S WALKED THAT BACK, AND BUT HE‘S WALKED THAT BACK, AND
HE‘S NOW TALKING ABOUT IT IN A HE‘S NOW TALKING ABOUT IT IN A
DIFFERENT WAY. DIFFERENT WAY.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, THE COMMUNITY AND I HAVE TO SAY, THE COMMUNITY
LAND TRUST AS SORT OF COLLECTIVE LAND TRUST AS SORT OF COLLECTIVE
WAYS OF THINKING PROPERTY, HAVE WAYS OF THINKING PROPERTY, HAVE
TO FIGURE IN SOME IMPORTANT WAY TO FIGURE IN SOME IMPORTANT WAY
IN THE WAY WE UNDERTAKE IN THE WAY WE UNDERTAKE
REPARATIONS. REPARATIONS.
BUT THEY AREN‘T THE ONLY THING. BUT THEY AREN‘T THE ONLY THING.
THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF — JUST THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF — JUST
KNOWING THE HISTORY — KNOWING THE HISTORY —
MUSEUMS, APOLOGY, OTHER WAYS OF MUSEUMS, APOLOGY, OTHER WAYS OF
TAKING DOWN STATUES AROUND THE TAKING DOWN STATUES AROUND THE
COUNTRY, OF CONFEDERATE HEROES. COUNTRY, OF CONFEDERATE HEROES.
TO ME THESE ARE ALL PART OF AN TO ME THESE ARE ALL PART OF AN
EMERGING COLLECTIVE RECKONING EMERGING COLLECTIVE RECKONING
WITH THE ENDURING, WITH THE ENDURING,
INTERGENERATIONAL INJURY OF INTERGENERATIONAL INJURY OF
SLAVERY. SLAVERY.
>>BUT APOLOGY>>BUT APOLOGY
WITHOUT ACTION WOULDN‘T BE WITHOUT ACTION WOULDN‘T BE
ENOUGH. ENOUGH.
>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.
NO, APOLOGY WITHOUT ACTION NO, APOLOGY WITHOUT ACTION
WOULDN‘T BE ENOUGH, AND ACTION WOULDN‘T BE ENOUGH, AND ACTION
HAS TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE HAS TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE
UNDERLYING STRUCTURES. UNDERLYING STRUCTURES.
BECAUSE OUR SOCIETY, OUR BECAUSE OUR SOCIETY, OUR
ECONOMY, OUR POLITIC, IS ECONOMY, OUR POLITIC, IS
STRUCTURED IN A HIGHLY STRUCTURED IN A HIGHLY
RACIALIZED WAY, RIGHT? RACIALIZED WAY, RIGHT?
AND IT AFFECTS ALL PEOPLE OF AND IT AFFECTS ALL PEOPLE OF
COLOR, BUT IT IS REALLY IN MY COLOR, BUT IT IS REALLY IN MY
OPINION, CENTERED AROUND OPINION, CENTERED AROUND
ANTI-BLACKNESS. ANTI-BLACKNESS.
AND WE CANNOT LEAVE OUT THE AND WE CANNOT LEAVE OUT THE
PROJECT TO WIPE OUT INDIGENOUS PROJECT TO WIPE OUT INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE TOO. PEOPLE TOO.
THOSE TWO GRAVE ORIGINAL SINS THOSE TWO GRAVE ORIGINAL SINS
ARE CONSTANTLY IN TENSION WITH ARE CONSTANTLY IN TENSION WITH
WHAT ARE REALLY A SET OF WHAT ARE REALLY A SET OF
BEAUTIFUL IDEALS OF EQUALITY, BEAUTIFUL IDEALS OF EQUALITY,
FRATERNITY, LIBERTY. FRATERNITY, LIBERTY.
AND THAT HAS BEEN OUR HISTORIC AND THAT HAS BEEN OUR HISTORIC
WRESTLING. WRESTLING.
HOW DO WE SQUARE THAT CIRCLE? HOW DO WE SQUARE THAT CIRCLE?
AND WE CANNOT SQUARE IT UNTIL WE AND WE CANNOT SQUARE IT UNTIL WE
DO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, DO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT,
HAVE A SERIOUS RECKONING WITH HAVE A SERIOUS RECKONING WITH
IT, AND ENGAGE IT, AND RESPOND IT, AND ENGAGE IT, AND RESPOND
TO IT, BOTH ON THE LEVEL OF TO IT, BOTH ON THE LEVEL OF
NARRATIVE AND ON THE LEVEL OF NARRATIVE AND ON THE LEVEL OF
STRUCTURE. STRUCTURE.
>>BUT I ALSO THINK>>BUT I ALSO THINK
IT‘S ESSENTIAL THAT WHITE PEOPLE IT‘S ESSENTIAL THAT WHITE PEOPLE
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
ADVANTAGES THAT WE HAVE BEEN ADVANTAGES THAT WE HAVE BEEN
BORN INTO. BORN INTO.
SO IT‘S NOT ONLY AN ISSUE OF SO IT‘S NOT ONLY AN ISSUE OF
ADDRESSING THE DISADVANTAGE THAT ADDRESSING THE DISADVANTAGE THAT
AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD
IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT THE FACT IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT THE FACT
THAT WE‘RE SEEING THE LARGEST THAT WE‘RE SEEING THE LARGEST
INTERGENERATIONAL TRANSFER OF INTERGENERATIONAL TRANSFER OF
WEALTH TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW, WEALTH TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW,
AS PEOPLE OF MY PARENTS‘ AS PEOPLE OF MY PARENTS‘
GENERATION ARE DYING. GENERATION ARE DYING.
AND WE‘RE DROPPING THE ESTATE AND WE‘RE DROPPING THE ESTATE
TAX SO THAT THAT ACCUMULATED TAX SO THAT THAT ACCUMULATED
ADVANTAGE, WEALTH, LEG-UP, BOOTS ADVANTAGE, WEALTH, LEG-UP, BOOTS
SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE STRAPS ON SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE STRAPS ON
THAT CAN ACTUALLY PULL YOUR LIFE THAT CAN ACTUALLY PULL YOUR LIFE
UP ECONOMICALLY, IS ALL BUILT ON UP ECONOMICALLY, IS ALL BUILT ON
THE FACT THAT THERE WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS
PROPERTY, THERE WAS ECONOMIC PROPERTY, THERE WAS ECONOMIC
ADVANTAGE THAT WAS PART OF WHAT ADVANTAGE THAT WAS PART OF WHAT
IT MEANT TO BE WHITE IN THIS IT MEANT TO BE WHITE IN THIS
COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR. RESPONSIBILITY FOR.
WHICH IS WHY I RECOMMEND IN THE WHICH IS WHY I RECOMMEND IN THE
BOOK, THAT WE CREATE, WE RAISE BOOK, THAT WE CREATE, WE RAISE
THE ESTATE TAX CONSIDERABLY, AND THE ESTATE TAX CONSIDERABLY, AND
WE TAX WHAT I THINK IS A WE TAX WHAT I THINK IS A
WINDFALL FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, AND WINDFALL FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, AND
USE THAT MONEY TO FUND WHAT A USE THAT MONEY TO FUND WHAT A
SUBSTANTIAL REPARATIONS PROJECT SUBSTANTIAL REPARATIONS PROJECT
WOULD LOOK LIKE. WOULD LOOK LIKE.
>>IT‘S OFTEN THE>>IT‘S OFTEN THE
CASE THAT OUR CIVIL RIGHTS CASE THAT OUR CIVIL RIGHTS
ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE MEASURED IN ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE MEASURED IN
TERMS OF WAGE AND INCOME TERMS OF WAGE AND INCOME
IMPROVEMENTS, AND SHRINKAGE OF IMPROVEMENTS, AND SHRINKAGE OF
THE DISPARITY AND WAGE THE DISPARITY AND WAGE
DIFFERENTIALS. DIFFERENTIALS.
IT‘S ON THIS ISSUE OF WEALTH, IT‘S ON THIS ISSUE OF WEALTH,
AND PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, AND AND PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, AND
ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS AROUND ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS AROUND
PROPERTY AND INHERITANCE THAT PROPERTY AND INHERITANCE THAT
YOU REALLY SEE THE LEGACY OF YOU REALLY SEE THE LEGACY OF
SLAVERY. SLAVERY.
TELL US SOME MORE ABOUT WHAT‘S TELL US SOME MORE ABOUT WHAT‘S
ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN EAST ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN EAST
HARLEM. HARLEM.
THERE IS A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST THERE IS A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
IN THE WORKS. IN THE WORKS.
TALK ABOUT WHAT‘S GOING ON RIGHT TALK ABOUT WHAT‘S GOING ON RIGHT
HERE, RIGHT NOW. HERE, RIGHT NOW.
THIS ISN‘T PIE IN THE SKY. THIS ISN‘T PIE IN THE SKY.
>>IN 2017, THROUGH THE>>IN 2017, THROUGH THE
ENTERPRISE GRANT THAT THE CITY ENTERPRISE GRANT THAT THE CITY
ROLLED OUT IN RFP, REQUEST FOR ROLLED OUT IN RFP, REQUEST FOR
INTEREST, EXCUSE ME. INTEREST, EXCUSE ME.
AND WE WON, WE WERE ONE OF THE AND WE WON, WE WERE ONE OF THE
GROUPS. GROUPS.
BUT IT WAS $1.6 MILLION DIVIDED BUT IT WAS $1.6 MILLION DIVIDED
BETWEEN THREE OTHER BETWEEN THREE OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS. ORGANIZATIONS.
AND SO, $500,000 IS A LOT FOR AND SO, $500,000 IS A LOT FOR
ONE PERSON IF YOU‘RE THINKING ONE PERSON IF YOU‘RE THINKING
ABOUT IT, BUT IT REALLY IS NOT ABOUT IT, BUT IT REALLY IS NOT
ENOUGH. ENOUGH.
AND SO, WE WERE ABLE TO GET TWO AND SO, WE WERE ABLE TO GET TWO
BUILDINGS, IF I‘M REMEMBERING BUILDINGS, IF I‘M REMEMBERING
CORRECTLY, AND WE MANAGED TO OWN CORRECTLY, AND WE MANAGED TO OWN
THE LAND THAT IT‘S ON. THE LAND THAT IT‘S ON.
AND SO, WHAT HAPPENED IS WE AND SO, WHAT HAPPENED IS WE
HELPED CREATE A MUTUAL HOUSING HELPED CREATE A MUTUAL HOUSING
ASSOCIATION WITH RESIDENTS, ASSOCIATION WITH RESIDENTS,
FOLKS WHO — FOLKS WHO —
WE ACTUALLY SIT ON THE BOARD, SO WE ACTUALLY SIT ON THE BOARD, SO
THERE‘S TWO NON-PROFIT THERE‘S TWO NON-PROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS THAT SIT ON THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SIT ON THE
BOARD OF IT. BOARD OF IT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE ELECTEDS THAT AND WE ALSO HAVE ELECTEDS THAT
CAN ALSO BE A PART OF THE VOTE. CAN ALSO BE A PART OF THE VOTE.
SO WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT SO WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT
STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE A PART OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE A PART OF
IT. IT.
AND THEY MAKE THE COLLECTIVE AND THEY MAKE THE COLLECTIVE
DECISIONS AROUND WHAT KIND OF DECISIONS AROUND WHAT KIND OF
REPAIRS ARE NEEDED, WHAT ARE THE REPAIRS ARE NEEDED, WHAT ARE THE
FINANCIAL FISCAL FINANCIAL FISCAL
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE NEED, RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE NEED,
WHO ARE THE PROFESSIONALS THAT WHO ARE THE PROFESSIONALS THAT
WE MAY NEED TO BE BRINGING ON WE MAY NEED TO BE BRINGING ON
BOARD WHO CAN ACTUALLY HELP US BOARD WHO CAN ACTUALLY HELP US
MOVE THIS WORK FORWARD IN AN MOVE THIS WORK FORWARD IN AN
INTENTIONAL WAY. INTENTIONAL WAY.
AND THAT‘S STILL IN THE WORKS, AND THAT‘S STILL IN THE WORKS,
RIGHT? RIGHT?
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE‘RE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE‘RE
TRYING TO ADVOCATE MORE FOR IS TRYING TO ADVOCATE MORE FOR IS
THAT FOLKS ARE GOING TO NEED THAT FOLKS ARE GOING TO NEED
MORE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THESE MORE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THESE
MUTUAL HOUSING ASSOCIATIONS TO MUTUAL HOUSING ASSOCIATIONS TO
ACTUALLY GET A LOT OF THE — ACTUALLY GET A LOT OF THE —
>>WELL THAT‘S>>WELL THAT‘S
WHERE SOME OF THE REPARATIONS WHERE SOME OF THE REPARATIONS
MIGHT COME IN. MIGHT COME IN.
CATHY? CATHY?
>>I JUST ALSO WANTED TO>>I JUST ALSO WANTED TO
POINT OUT THAT WHILE COMMUNITY POINT OUT THAT WHILE COMMUNITY
LAND TRUST AND OTHER SHARED LAND TRUST AND OTHER SHARED
EQUITY MODELS ARE A VERY SMALL EQUITY MODELS ARE A VERY SMALL
SLICE OF OUR HOUSING IN THE SLICE OF OUR HOUSING IN THE
COUNTRY, THERE ARE 200 COMMUNITY COUNTRY, THERE ARE 200 COMMUNITY
LAND TRUSTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. LAND TRUSTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AROUND AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AROUND
FOR DECADES. FOR DECADES.
AND WHAT‘S IMPORTANT TO KNOW AND WHAT‘S IMPORTANT TO KNOW
ABOUT THEM IS THEY WORK ABOUT THEM IS THEY WORK
SPECTACULARLY WELL OVERALL. SPECTACULARLY WELL OVERALL.
WHEN THE FORECLOSURE CRISIS HIT, WHEN THE FORECLOSURE CRISIS HIT,
THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS WERE THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS WERE
BARELY TOUCHED. BARELY TOUCHED.
THE FORECLOSURE RATE IN THE FORECLOSURE RATE IN
COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS WERE VERY, COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS WERE VERY,
VERY TINY. VERY TINY.
IF YOU SUBSIDIZE A FAMILY FOR IF YOU SUBSIDIZE A FAMILY FOR
BUYING A HOME IN A COMMUNITY BUYING A HOME IN A COMMUNITY
LAND TRUST, 90% OF THEM ARE LAND TRUST, 90% OF THEM ARE
STILL IN THEIR PRIVATE HOME FIVE STILL IN THEIR PRIVATE HOME FIVE
YEARS LATER. YEARS LATER.
IF YOU SUBSIDIZE A FAMILY TO BUY IF YOU SUBSIDIZE A FAMILY TO BUY
A HOME IN THE PRIVATE MARKET, A HOME IN THE PRIVATE MARKET,
ONLY 50% ARE IN THEIR OWN HOME ONLY 50% ARE IN THEIR OWN HOME
FIVE YEARS LATER. FIVE YEARS LATER.
SO WE KNOW THE MODEL WORKS. SO WE KNOW THE MODEL WORKS.
THIS IS NOT A THEORY, THIS IS THIS IS NOT A THEORY, THIS IS
NOT AN EXPERIMENT. NOT AN EXPERIMENT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT‘S BEEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT‘S BEEN
DONE FOR A LONG TIME. DONE FOR A LONG TIME.
WHAT WE NEED IS THE POLITICAL WHAT WE NEED IS THE POLITICAL
COMMITMENT TO TAKE LAND OUT OF COMMITMENT TO TAKE LAND OUT OF
THE SPECULATIVE ECONOMY, AND THE SPECULATIVE ECONOMY, AND
CREATE STABILITY AND THRIVING CREATE STABILITY AND THRIVING
NEIGHBORHOODS. NEIGHBORHOODS.
>>WELL IT‘S HAPPENING>>WELL IT‘S HAPPENING
IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN
DIFFERENT WAYS. DIFFERENT WAYS.
NEW YORK, PARTICULARLY IN NEW YORK, PARTICULARLY IN
MANHATTAN AND HARLEM, IS A VERY MANHATTAN AND HARLEM, IS A VERY
DENSE PLACE, WHERE DENSE PLACE, WHERE
GENTRIFICATION SORT OF GENTRIFICATION SORT OF
STRUCTURES THE REAL ESTATE STRUCTURES THE REAL ESTATE
MARKET ENTIRELY. MARKET ENTIRELY.
SO TO HOLD BACK A COUPLE OF SO TO HOLD BACK A COUPLE OF
BUILDINGS IS A BIG THING, BUT IT BUILDINGS IS A BIG THING, BUT IT
MAY NOT BE TRANSFORMATIVE IN THE MAY NOT BE TRANSFORMATIVE IN THE
COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY.
BUT IF YOU GO TO JACKSON, BUT IF YOU GO TO JACKSON,
MISSISSIPPI, WHERE THEY‘RE ALSO MISSISSIPPI, WHERE THEY‘RE ALSO
EXPERIMENTING A LOT WITH EXPERIMENTING A LOT WITH
COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS, WHAT COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS, WHAT
THEY‘RE DOING THERE, AS IN THEY‘RE DOING THERE, AS IN
DETROIT AND OTHER CITIES, WHERE DETROIT AND OTHER CITIES, WHERE
THERE ARE JUST VAST PARTS OF THE THERE ARE JUST VAST PARTS OF THE
CITY THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED. CITY THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED.
THERE ARE NO SERVICES, THERE‘S THERE ARE NO SERVICES, THERE‘S
NO ONE LIVING THERE, VERY FEW NO ONE LIVING THERE, VERY FEW
PEOPLE LIVING THERE. PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
IT‘S A WAY TO RECAPTURE THOSE IT‘S A WAY TO RECAPTURE THOSE
COMMUNITIES. COMMUNITIES.
AND NOT THROUGH GENTRIFICATION, AND NOT THROUGH GENTRIFICATION,
NOT THROUGH WHAT YOU SEE IN SO NOT THROUGH WHAT YOU SEE IN SO
MANY CITIES WHERE THEY BUILD A MANY CITIES WHERE THEY BUILD A
NEW DOWNTOWN, AND THEN THE NEW DOWNTOWN, AND THEN THE
YUPPIES COME BACK FROM THE YUPPIES COME BACK FROM THE
SUBURBS, AND THEN ALL OF THE SUBURBS, AND THEN ALL OF THE
FOLKS WHO WERE LIVING THERE HAVE FOLKS WHO WERE LIVING THERE HAVE
NOWHERE TO GO, AND END UP IN NOWHERE TO GO, AND END UP IN
SHELTERS. SHELTERS.
WHAT YOU‘RE DOING IS YOU WHAT YOU‘RE DOING IS YOU
ARE REPAIRING THE VERY ARE REPAIRING THE VERY
IDEA OF THE CITY ITSELF, THROUGH IDEA OF THE CITY ITSELF, THROUGH
COMMUNITY LAND OWNERSHIP, AND COMMUNITY LAND OWNERSHIP, AND
COMMUNITY CONTROL, RATHER THAN COMMUNITY CONTROL, RATHER THAN
REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE
NO INVESTMENT IN THE LONG-TERM NO INVESTMENT IN THE LONG-TERM
HEALTH OR CULTURE OF A CITY. HEALTH OR CULTURE OF A CITY.
>>SO HOW COULD OUR>>SO HOW COULD OUR
CONVERSATION, WHAT YOU‘RE CONVERSATION, WHAT YOU‘RE
CALLING FOR AROUND THE CALLING FOR AROUND THE
CONVERSATION, NOT ONLY THE CONVERSATION, NOT ONLY THE
CONVERSATION AROUND REPARATIONS, CONVERSATION AROUND REPARATIONS,
BUT ALSO THE ACTUAL CONCRETE BUT ALSO THE ACTUAL CONCRETE
MONEY — MONEY —
HOW COULD THAT CONVERSATION HOW COULD THAT CONVERSATION
SHIFT CHANGE THE REALITY ON THE SHIFT CHANGE THE REALITY ON THE
GROUND? GROUND?
I‘M THINKING OF SHIRLEY SHERROD, I‘M THINKING OF SHIRLEY SHERROD,
THE FORMER SECRETARY, WHO WE THE FORMER SECRETARY, WHO WE
HAD ON THE PROGRAM A FEW YEARS HAD ON THE PROGRAM A FEW YEARS
AGO TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE AGO TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE
FIRST COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS IN FIRST COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS IN
THE UNITED STATES THAT CAME OUT THE UNITED STATES THAT CAME OUT
OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT,
AND THAT SHE WAS INVOLVED IN IN AND THAT SHE WAS INVOLVED IN IN
GEORGIA. GEORGIA.
IT‘S ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE IT‘S ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE
SOUTH STILL. SOUTH STILL.
WHAT THEY WERE UP AGAINST ON A WHAT THEY WERE UP AGAINST ON A
DAILY BASIS FROM THE AGRICULTURE DAILY BASIS FROM THE AGRICULTURE
DEPARTMENT, FROM PRETTY MUCH DEPARTMENT, FROM PRETTY MUCH
EVERY AGENCY OF GOVERNMENT AT EVERY AGENCY OF GOVERNMENT AT
THE NATIONAL, REGIONAL, AND THE NATIONAL, REGIONAL, AND
LOCAL LEVEL, NOT TO MENTION JUST LOCAL LEVEL, NOT TO MENTION JUST
VIGILANTES, WAS NOTHING VIGILANTES, WAS NOTHING
ORDINARY. ORDINARY.
COULD THIS CONVERSATION THAT COULD THIS CONVERSATION THAT
YOU‘RE ENGAGING IN, SHIFT IN A YOU‘RE ENGAGING IN, SHIFT IN A
WAY THAT ACTUALLY MADE IT SAFER WAY THAT ACTUALLY MADE IT SAFER
AND MORE DOABLE FOR PEOPLE ON AND MORE DOABLE FOR PEOPLE ON
THE GROUND? THE GROUND?
>>I THINK SO, BECAUSE>>I THINK SO, BECAUSE
WHEN THESE SORTS OF EXPERIMENTS WHEN THESE SORTS OF EXPERIMENTS
TAKE PLACE ON A KIND OF AD HOC TAKE PLACE ON A KIND OF AD HOC
BASIS, HERE AND THERE IN THE BASIS, HERE AND THERE IN THE
LITTLE CRACKS IN A COMMUNITY, LITTLE CRACKS IN A COMMUNITY,
THEY‘RE SO VULNERABLE TO THE THEY‘RE SO VULNERABLE TO THE
VIOLENCE, THE BACKLASH OF WHITE VIOLENCE, THE BACKLASH OF WHITE
SUPREMACISTS, OR JUST SUPREMACISTS, OR JUST
SPECULATORS WHO OFTEN MAY BE THE SPECULATORS WHO OFTEN MAY BE THE
SAME PEOPLE, IN SOME SAME PEOPLE, IN SOME
COMMUNITIES. COMMUNITIES.
BUT WHEN IT‘S A NATIONAL BUT WHEN IT‘S A NATIONAL
CONVERSATION, OR AT LEAST A CONVERSATION, OR AT LEAST A
LARGER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION LARGER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION
ABOUT A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO ABOUT A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO
REPAIR CITIES, REPAIR REPAIR CITIES, REPAIR
COMMUNITIES, THROUGH WHAT ARE AS COMMUNITIES, THROUGH WHAT ARE AS
CATHY ALBISA EXPLAINS, REALLY CATHY ALBISA EXPLAINS, REALLY
TRIED AND TRUE EXPERIMENTS TRIED AND TRUE EXPERIMENTS
AROUND COLLECTIVE LAND AROUND COLLECTIVE LAND
OWNERSHIP, IT PROVIDES A KIND OF OWNERSHIP, IT PROVIDES A KIND OF
SAFETY I THINK FOR THOSE SAFETY I THINK FOR THOSE
EXPERIMENTS. EXPERIMENTS.
NOT AS JUST RANDOM AD HOC NOT AS JUST RANDOM AD HOC
ANOMALIES, BUT ACTUALLY A NEW ANOMALIES, BUT ACTUALLY A NEW
MODEL OF THE CITY. MODEL OF THE CITY.
HUDSON YARDS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE HUDSON YARDS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE
OF AN ENORMOUS FAILURE OF THE OF AN ENORMOUS FAILURE OF THE
IDEA OF THE SPECULATIVE REAL IDEA OF THE SPECULATIVE REAL
ESTATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT ON ESTATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT ON
STEROIDS. STEROIDS.
EVERYONE IN THE CITY HATES THIS EVERYONE IN THE CITY HATES THIS
NEW THING. NEW THING.
THIS NEW SORT OF SYMBOL OF THIS NEW SORT OF SYMBOL OF
WEALTH. WEALTH.
IT‘S JUST AN AWFUL THING. IT‘S JUST AN AWFUL THING.
AND SO, THE CONTRAST TO THAT ARE AND SO, THE CONTRAST TO THAT ARE
THE KIND OF VALUES THAT THE KIND OF VALUES THAT
UNDERWRITE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. UNDERWRITE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.
>>HUDSON YARDS>>HUDSON YARDS
BEING A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT ON BEING A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT ON
THE WEST SIDE OF MANHATTAN THAT THE WEST SIDE OF MANHATTAN THAT
GOT A LOT OF CITY SUPPORT, AND GOT A LOT OF CITY SUPPORT, AND
IS REALLY ALL ABOUT COMMERCE, IS REALLY ALL ABOUT COMMERCE,
WITH A LITTLE ART THROWN IN. WITH A LITTLE ART THROWN IN.
WE HAVE A PRACTICE NOWADAYS OF WE HAVE A PRACTICE NOWADAYS OF
SAYING, “WHAT DO YOU THINK IS SAYING, “WHAT DO YOU THINK IS
THE STORY THE FUTURE WILL TELL THE STORY THE FUTURE WILL TELL
OF THIS MOMENT?” OF THIS MOMENT?”
IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT DO YOU IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT DO YOU
THINK, AND I‘LL COME TO YOU, THINK, AND I‘LL COME TO YOU,
JARITZA. JARITZA.
>>I THINK THE FUTURE IS FOR>>I THINK THE FUTURE IS FOR
US TO WRITE. US TO WRITE.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY THEY TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY
BENDS TOWARDS JUSTICE, BUT IT‘S BENDS TOWARDS JUSTICE, BUT IT‘S
NOT A LAW OF PHYSICS. NOT A LAW OF PHYSICS.
IT DEPENDS ON THE KIND OF IT DEPENDS ON THE KIND OF
COMMITMENT AND ENERGY THAT WE COMMITMENT AND ENERGY THAT WE
PUT INTO IT. PUT INTO IT.
BUT I KNOW THE FUTURE PEOPLE ARE BUT I KNOW THE FUTURE PEOPLE ARE
WORKING VERY HARD TO WRITE. WORKING VERY HARD TO WRITE.
AND IN THAT FUTURE, WE ARE AND IN THAT FUTURE, WE ARE
SHARING RISK, IT‘S INCOME SHARING RISK, IT‘S INCOME
SOLIDARITY, IT‘S RISK SOLIDARITY, IT‘S RISK
SOLIDARITY, IT‘S PUBLIC SOLIDARITY, IT‘S PUBLIC
RESPONSIBILITY TO MEET BASIC RESPONSIBILITY TO MEET BASIC
NEEDS. NEEDS.
IT‘S COLLECTIVE COMMUNITY IT‘S COLLECTIVE COMMUNITY
CONTROL. CONTROL.
AND IT‘S REALLY A NEW VISION OF AND IT‘S REALLY A NEW VISION OF
DEMOCRACY, WHERE DEMOCRACY IS DEMOCRACY, WHERE DEMOCRACY IS
NOT JUST SHOWING UP AT THE NOT JUST SHOWING UP AT THE
BALLOT BOX, WHICH NOT EVEN BALLOT BOX, WHICH NOT EVEN
THAT‘S WORKING THESE DAYS, THAT‘S WORKING THESE DAYS,
BUT IT‘S BEYOND THE BALLOT BOX. BUT IT‘S BEYOND THE BALLOT BOX.
IT‘S DEMOCRACY BEYOND ELECTIONS, IT‘S DEMOCRACY BEYOND ELECTIONS,
WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE
AGENCY TO SHAPE THEIR LIVES, AGENCY TO SHAPE THEIR LIVES,
THEIR INSTITUTIONS, AND THEIR THEIR INSTITUTIONS, AND THEIR
COUNTRY. COUNTRY.
>>ECHOING ALL THAT.>>ECHOING ALL THAT.
AND I AGREE, I THINK FOLKS HAVE AND I AGREE, I THINK FOLKS HAVE
HAD ENOUGH. HAD ENOUGH.
THE ENERGY IS THERE. THE ENERGY IS THERE.
I THINK THE MORE WE I THINK THE MORE WE
INTENTIONALLY BEGIN TO REALLY INTENTIONALLY BEGIN TO REALLY
CENTER, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HIT CENTER, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HIT
IT ON THE NOSE, IS THAT THERE IS IT ON THE NOSE, IS THAT THERE IS
A LOT OF, IT COMES OUT OF THIS A LOT OF, IT COMES OUT OF THIS
ANTI-BLACK NARRATIVE. ANTI-BLACK NARRATIVE.
AND I THINK THAT THE MOMENT WE AND I THINK THAT THE MOMENT WE
BEGIN TO, AS WE CONTINUE, I WANT BEGIN TO, AS WE CONTINUE, I WANT
TO SAY, REALLY PUT BLACK ISSUES TO SAY, REALLY PUT BLACK ISSUES
AT THE HEART OF ALL THE ISSUES AT THE HEART OF ALL THE ISSUES
THAT WE‘RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN THAT WE‘RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN
WE‘LL ACTUALLY SEE SOME CHANGES WE‘LL ACTUALLY SEE SOME CHANGES
BEGIN TO HAPPEN. BEGIN TO HAPPEN.
>>I WANT TO THANK>>I WANT TO THANK
YOU ALL. YOU ALL.
WE‘RE OUT OF TIME. WE‘RE OUT OF TIME.
BUT THIS CONVERSATION WILL BUT THIS CONVERSATION WILL
CONTINUE ON THIS PROGRAM. CONTINUE ON THIS PROGRAM.
AND YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT AND YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT
ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS
REPRESENTED ON TODAY‘S SHOW, AND REPRESENTED ON TODAY‘S SHOW, AND
GET A COPY OF THE BOOK FOR GET A COPY OF THE BOOK FOR
YOURSELF, AT OUR WEBSITE, THAT‘S YOURSELF, AT OUR WEBSITE, THAT‘S
LAURAFLANDERS.ORG. LAURAFLANDERS.ORG.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU LAURA. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪

Author: Kennedi Daugherty

9 thoughts on “Community Land Trusts: A Model for Reparations?

  1. I guess some liberal solutions are better than nothing. Its to bad these people dont know anything about socialism. They are so brainwashed by liberalism and identity politics i bet they think that their solutions are socialist. Its a shame really

  2. That white woman is full of shit….. general sherman after the war said he did not have the authority to give land to anyone….the general was only setting up a reservations for blacks until the war ended….his field order 15 was temporary…..lasting only as long as the war lasted…'

    after the civil war blacks were able to buy land in fact by 1920 blacks owned 15 million acres….

    In spite of owning all this land most was later sold off ……

    Is this a do over??????

  3. So our land trust like reservations for native Americans?🤔 So will reparations be Structured like Native American treaties?

    How long will it take for school curriculums to reflect True American history?

    Can White Americans get on board After being educated to historical and current inequities Known only by African Americans?

  4. Did Bernie walk back his statement about reparations being divisive because his people receive reparations from tax paying blacks who had not even gain civil rights?🤔

  5. From the USA🇺🇸 to Singapore 🇸🇬 to South Africa🇿🇦…I think 💭 I've found my subject for my doctoral thesis. ✅ 🙂
    Recapturing communities. Economic development without gentrification ✅

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